President Trump and First Lady have tested positive for Virus (Update: Trump to undergo televised ‘medical exam’ Friday night) (2 Viewers)

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    superchuck500 said:
    I think what's really driving this is the timeline of whether Trump traveled and went to events while knowing he had a Covid infection. That would be really problematic - it's criminal behavior in many states.

    Of course, there's documentation. He's got lab work. And they had to get approval to use the monoclonal antibodies.
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    And if I’m applying simple thought processing, what is the reason for formally shutting down all communication with the public(if true) for the rest of the day if not to try and come up with a cohesive narrative? And if you are having to shut it down to come up with a cohesive narrative, it heavily implies the truth has some sort of problematic element that is requiring alteration or delay because you need to get everyone aligned on the spin or presentation.

    The obvious one would be the emerging timeline discrepancy, as you point out, and I largely agree, the other would be the alternating statements publicly and privately about his health and the progression of the disease...Or if things may have turned worse.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    The president can have a significant Covid infection that requires treatment and hospitalization - and still be completely within his faculties as president. Power doesn't have to transfer unless the president is truly incapacitated (even temporarily, such as in the case of general anesthesia). Now if he's drugged up or something, that's a concern. But from what I have read, even moderate cases primarily come with symptoms that do not actually incapacitate the person nor call for drugs that do. Intubation, of course, is another matter, but that's not happening (not yet at least).

    And what we know about Trump, he isn't going to agree to relinquish authority to Pence unless he really needs to. He's tweeting (presuming that's actually him), and he walked to the helicopter yesterday - he may not be "fine" but it's also really unlikely that he's incapacitated at this point.
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    Why should we presume that the tweets from the Trump account are actually from him? We already know that multiple people have access to the account and attempt to tweet in his "style" with random capitalizations and misspellings or use it to post campaign videos. I don't presume truth in anything that anyone related to his administration, campaign or family tells us.
     
    EmBeeFiveOhFour said:
    Why should we presume that the tweets from the Trump account are actually from him? We already know that multiple people have access to the account and attempt to tweet in his "style" with random capitalizations and misspellings or use it to post campaign videos. I don't presume truth in anything that anyone related to his administration, campaign or family tells us.
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    I saw him speaking yesterday. I saw him walk to Marine One yesterday. I saw medical staff at Walter Reed today describe him in manner that would not suggest he's incapacitated. While Conley and Meadows are wholly untrustworthy and have zero credibility for any purpose, I don't see the physicians at Walter Reed in the same way.

    I find the incessant drum-beat of conspiracy theories from the American political right to be exhausting, unintelligent, and distasteful. So I suppose I hesitate to engage speculation that the president isn't going his own tweeting because he's incapacitated. It's possible, but I still think under the evidence at hand, we actually can presume he's the one tweeting.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    I saw him speaking yesterday. I saw him walk to Marine One yesterday. I saw medical staff at Walter Reed today describe him in manner that would not suggest he's incapacitated. While Conley and Meadows are wholly untrustworthy and have zero credibility for any purpose, I don't see the physicians at Walter Reed in the same way.

    I find the incessant drum-beat of conspiracy theories from the American political right to be exhausting, unintelligent, and distasteful. So I suppose I hesitate to engage speculation that the president isn't going his own tweeting because he's incapacitated. It's possible, but I still think under the evidence at hand, we actually can presume he's the one tweeting.
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    I do not think Mr Trump is tweeting recently but I do not think that is evidence he is unable to. I think you are correct that Mr Trump is able to perform his duties at this time. But if Mr Trump’s team did not give conflicting information it would not be so confusing.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    I saw him speaking yesterday. I saw him walk to Marine One yesterday. I saw medical staff at Walter Reed today describe him in manner that would not suggest he's incapacitated. While Conley and Meadows are wholly untrustworthy and have zero credibility for any purpose, I don't see the physicians at Walter Reed in the same way.

    I find the incessant drum-beat of conspiracy theories from the American political right to be exhausting, unintelligent, and distasteful. So I suppose I hesitate to engage speculation that the president isn't going his own tweeting because he's incapacitated. It's possible, but I still think under the evidence at hand, we actually can presume he's the one tweeting.
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    First off,correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think anyone said his odd tweets potentially not being written by him confirms he’s incapacitated.

    That out the way. Applying the lessons of history and using that as our guide, to go with trusting good sources with a proven track record, then using that to weigh the present evidence isn’t being conspiratorial though. The thing basically devoid in Republican political thinking.

    We are 4 years into this presidency. The name of the game has been, and continues to be, there is the official line, and then there is the truth. As a short hand the official line is almost never trustworthy if it involves a sensitive matter. And the truth tends to come through different avenues like when people like Mark Meadows, as he did today, makes a public statement and then immediately finds reporters and is captured on video asking to go anonymous and tells us something different. Which is that in fact the president is not super well and has not been doing fine. Which is in contradiction with the doctors statements, which were themselves cagey and evasive. Refusing to answer simple questions about oxygen use or other medical details.

    Now if history is our guide, through all we have experienced about this administration’s upfront honesty, which narrative is more likely to be true?

    As for his tweets, multiple people do access his account, and typically there are some tells about when that occurs, these have even been documented and at times traced. Now can I say for certain Trump didn’t make those tweets? But unlike conspiratorial Republicans jumping at the next Uranium One or Obama-gate nonsense, there is a solid foundation to question whether those tweets were actually written by the president given both the oddness of them and other irregularities.
     
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    NoPartyMike said:
    If the gloating media, public, and politicians would pause for a moment, they might realize this event could be a catalyst towards their goals, healing and sanity of the nation. That should be the important thing.
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    Why is it statements like these are made so often after a balance of power starts to shift from Republican/conservative to Democrat/liberal?
     
    NoPartyMike said:
    It's a lost opportunity, and a reflection of hypocrisy. The nation isn't less divided and healthier than it was a few days ago.
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    It's also not more divided or less healthier than it was a few days ago. The only change is that for the moment the Republican senate can't as easily shove stuff down the American public's throat and we've gotten a break from Trump's constant divisiveness and venomous rhetoric.
     
    Eeyore said:
    apnews.com

    AP source: President Trump was administered supplemental oxygen at the White House on Friday before going to hospital

    BETHESDA, Md. (AP) — AP source: President Trump was administered supplemental oxygen at the White House on Friday before going to hospital.
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    Is this the way to reconcile the reports that he is/was on oxygen?
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    Pretty sure the AP was the source that broke the oxygen story first, and that was the headline.

    All the conversations about it stems from there.

    With additional questions because the doctors refused to answer questions about whether he was or recently was on oxygen. Picking words incredibly carefully and evasively.
     
    I don't read too much into the supplemental oxygen thing. Trump strikes me as a bit of a hypochondriac or in his supporters terms, a 'wussy.' I'm sure he was panicking and possibly exaggerating his ability to breath so they gave him oxygen. He clearly wasn't in that bad of a shape when he walked to Marine One and into Walter Reed. But, really, with this virus, you can't tell. People younger and healthier than Trump have gotten the virus, been doing okay for the first few days, then went into rapid decline and died.

    Also, this is beyond Trump now with numerous GOP Senators contracting it from the event.
     
    saintmdterps said:
    The hypocrisy of pro-lifers has never ceased to amaze me. Preserve the unborn at all costs (except of course maternal well-checks while the child is still in utero) but once the child is born? Nada, nil, zilch, zip, zero. No healthcare, well-checks, head start, education, social security, Medicare--nothing at all.
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    And while the pro-lifers have the political power to put one of their hypocritical own on the Supreme Court, where are the calls and concerns for those pro-lifers and their allied media outlets to seize the opportunity to not be hypocrites? Where are the calls and concerns for them to do better by pushing for pro-life-after-birth policies?

    The very one-sidedness of the both sides arguments is itself hypocritical in my opinion.
     
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    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    I don't read too much into the supplemental oxygen thing. Trump strikes me as a bit of a hypochondriac or in his supporters terms, a 'wussy.' I'm sure he was panicking and possibly exaggerating his ability to breath so they gave him oxygen. He clearly wasn't in that bad of a shape when he walked to Marine One and into Walter Reed. But, really, with this virus, you can't tell. People younger and healthier than Trump have gotten the virus, been doing okay for the first few days, then went into rapid decline and died.

    Also, this is beyond Trump now with numerous GOP Senators contracting it from the event.
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    I think people really need to think about how it’s not really that difficult to act normal for 45 seconds when you have a full time staff dedicated to doing so.

    The report late yesterday from inside the administration was that leaving yesterday was in part because they were concerned about the rapid progression and wanted to get him to a hospital before the optics of him needing assistance/unable to fake it got away from them.
    LA - L.A. said:
    To try to make the media look like liars pushing fake news.
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    That’s possible, but the past tells us the idea of the administration being this 11 dimension chess team is pure fantasy, and given there is video of Mark Meadows prompting that anonymous meet with the media, which is where the largest drop of news came from, it would simply turn into a story about Mark Meadows lying to the press amidst a crisis of health for the president.
     

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