Now is not the time to talk about gun control (2 Viewers)

[brandon]

T&P

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[nolaspe]

It obviously won't do a thing to change that troglodyte rafael's line of thinking, but it's still a pretty powerful demonstration...

 

[Taurus]

It obviously won't do a thing to change that troglodyte rafael's line of thinking, but it's still a pretty powerful demonstration...

That number is insane. Genuinely crazy. If some swarthy people showed up and killed 2,000 American children we would lose our collective MINDS. If they did it year after year, we'd freaking explode. We'd be beyond just going to war, we'd glass 'em.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Good article on gun laws in Texas
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In the wake of the Uvalde school massacre, one thing is glaringly clear: The Texas way of guns is an American failure. And I say that as a Texas gun owner.

A three-person investigative committee from the state legislature issued a report Sunday on the May 24 shooting, assigning blame to “systemic failures,” in the words of the committee chairman, Rep. Dustin Burrows, a Republican from Lubbock.

The report found failure across the board — local, state and federal police failed; the school failed; the killer’s family failed; the people who knew him failed.

But when everyone is responsible, no one is responsible.

You can’t say Texas’s gun laws failed because they worked exactly as designed. Everything the shooter did was strictly legal — except for the murdering.

Yet those gun laws, many of them the result of loosening over the past seven years during the tenure of Gov. Greg Abbott (R), bear plenty of responsibility for the shooting. They reflect a “systemic failure” of Texas gun culture.


Many Americans, and Texans in particular, have a mythical misconception about the state: In rootin’, tootin’ Texas, this has always been the way with guns. But that simply isn’t true.

Until 1870, sure, Texas was part of the Wild West when it came to guns. Yet in 1870, that all changed: The state legislature banned carrying firearms outside the home.


Texas was one of the first states to do so, leading the way on gun-safety laws into the 20th century. It also banned knives, daggers and other weapons from being carried in public.

In the 1920s, Texas quadrupled fines for violations (and sent offenders who couldn’t pay them into prison work gangs), banned automatic weapons altogether and imposed a hefty 50 percent tax on gun sales.

These laws remained on the books until an initial legislative assault in the 1970s. In the early 1990s, the last Democratic governor of Texas, Ann Richards, backed by police, vetoed a bill legalizing concealed weapons. That played a big role in her 1994 downfall when she lost to George W. Bush.


The new Republican governor signed a concealed-carry law in 1995, saying it would “make Texas a safer place.” Thus was born the unofficial “Ann Richards rule” in Texas politics: Never oppose bills expanding gun rights……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/19/texas-gun-culture-and-uvalde/

 

[MT15]

I’d like to highlight this sentence:

But when everyone is responsible, no one is responsible.

This is so true, and is a principle that is embraced by systems where failure can result in extreme consequences. I spent most of my career in a hospital lab, where mistakes can harm or even kill patients. Good labs assign responsibility for everything, from daily/weekly/monthly maintenance on each analyzer to running quality control and reviewing quality control, etc. Each step is documented and attested by name, date and time. It’s drilled into all techs that they are responsible for the results that go out on their watch. It works pretty darn well, along with engineering steps that reduce chances for error (bar codes on each sample) and fostering a culture of working to correct any errors as soon as they are recognized (assume good intent and realize everyone is working for the good of the patient). Sorry for the long winded rant, lol.

The police response in Uvalde was pathetic in almost every way. There was no one taking the lead. Nobody felt the responsibility to respond. It was pretty much the opposite of a good organizational culture that is designed to minimize bad outcomes. So tragic in every way.

 

[zztop]

I guess today was a "highlight AZ republicans" day for me:

Parkland survivor David Hogg was kicked out of a House gun control meeting after tearing into Rep. Andy Biggs for using the same logic of 'mass shooters in your manifesto'

During the committee meeting, Rep. Biggs claimed Americans need assault weapons to protect themselves against an "invasion of the southern border."

www.businessinsider.com

During the meeting, Biggs, a Republican from Arizona, claimed Americans, specifically residents of his state, need assault weapons to protect themselves against an "invasion" of undocumented migrants, whom the conservative lawmaker said posed "a danger or threat."

"The reality is it is an invasion of our southern border," Biggs said.

Biggs' remarks prompted Hogg to rise from his seat in the gallery and yell: "You're reiterating the points of mass shooters in your manifesto!"

"The shooter at my high school: antisemitic, anti-Black, and racist. The shooter in El Paso described it as an invasion," the gun control activist shouted at Biggs during the meeting, referring to a 2019 shooting at a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas.

"Guess what? Those guns are coming from the United States of America. They aren't coming from Mexico," he added as security escorted him from the committee room. "You are reiterating the points of a mass shooter, sir. You are perpetuating violence."

 

[MT15]

Good for him, it’s time people called the gun nuts out on their BS.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I guess today was a "highlight AZ republicans" day for me:

Parkland survivor David Hogg was kicked out of a House gun control meeting after tearing into Rep. Andy Biggs for using the same logic of 'mass shooters in your manifesto'

During the committee meeting, Rep. Biggs claimed Americans need assault weapons to protect themselves against an "invasion of the southern border."

www.businessinsider.com

During the meeting, Biggs, a Republican from Arizona, claimed Americans, specifically residents of his state, need assault weapons to protect themselves against an "invasion" of undocumented migrants, whom the conservative lawmaker said posed "a danger or threat."

"The reality is it is an invasion of our southern border," Biggs said.

Biggs' remarks prompted Hogg to rise from his seat in the gallery and yell: "You're reiterating the points of mass shooters in your manifesto!"

"The shooter at my high school: antisemitic, anti-Black, and racist. The shooter in El Paso described it as an invasion," the gun control activist shouted at Biggs during the meeting, referring to a 2019 shooting at a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas.

"Guess what? Those guns are coming from the United States of America. They aren't coming from Mexico," he added as security escorted him from the committee room. "You are reiterating the points of a mass shooter, sir. You are perpetuating violence."

David Hogg is 100% correct.

How smart is Rep. Andy Biggs?

"COVID-19[edit]
See also: COVID-19 pandemic in Arizona
Biggs opposes wearing masks to prevent the transmission of COVID-19, encouraging Arizonans not to wear them.[80] In July 2020, he tweeted that people should not trust Anthony Fauci or Deborah Birx.[81] He has called for the White House Coronavirus Task Force to be disbanded.[82] During a major outbreak in the summer of 2020 in Arizona, Biggs questioned the hospitalization numbers and called Governor Doug Ducey's two-month lockdown a result of "hysteria" from "Democratic Leftists."[83] In September 2020, Biggs posted a series of tweets supporting the use of hydroxychloroquine to prevent COVID-19.[80] There is no strong evidence to support the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19.[84]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Biggs

 

[Optimus Prime]

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California punched back Friday against two recent landmark U.S. Supreme Court decisions as Gov. Gavin Newsom announced he will sign a controversial, first-in-the-nation gun control law patterned after a Texas anti-abortion law.

His action comes one month after conservative justices overturned women’s constitutional right to abortions and undermined gun control laws in states including California.

Newsom stitched the two hot-button topics together in approving a law allowing people to sue anyone who distributes illegal assault weapons, parts that can be used to build weapons, guns without serial numbers, or .50 caliber rifles. They would be awarded at least $10,000 in civil damages for each weapon, plus attorneys fees.

“While the Supreme Court rolls back reasonable gun safety measures, California continues adding new ways to protect the lives of our kids,” Newsom said in a statement released before he signed the bill.

“California will use every tool at its disposal to save lives, especially in the face of an increasingly extreme Supreme Court.”


Lawmakers patterned the bill, at Newsom’s request, after a Texas law allowing citizens to sue anyone who provides or assists in providing an abortion.

The U.S. Supreme Court gave preliminary approval to the Texas law, but California’s law will automatically be invalidated if the Texas law is eventually ruled unconstitutional……

New California gun control law mimics Texas abortion measure

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California punched back Friday against two recent landmark U.S. Supreme Court decisions as Gov. Gavin Newsom announced he will sign a controversial, first-in-the-nation gun control law patterned after a Texas anti-abortion law.

apnews.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

He went a long way to call Roy a dumbass!

 

[MT15]

He went a long way to call Roy a dumbass!

And it was effective as well. It was great!

 

[zztop]

Guess what just went on sale?

SIG Sauer's MCX-SPEAR is the civilian equivalent of the US Army's NGSW-R (Next Generation Squad Weapon-Rifle), specifically created to tear through body armor.
The gun fires bullets with twice the kinetic energy of those from an AR-15 has a longer range, and has a noise suppressor that could make a gunman harder to locate

 

[MT15]

I’m convinced that the tobacco industry approach is the way to go here. Whatever has to happen to hold these gun manufacturers responsible for marketing these weapons to the public, by allowing victims to sue these manufacturers I would support.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Guess what just went on sale?

SIG Sauer's MCX-SPEAR is the civilian equivalent of the US Army's NGSW-R (Next Generation Squad Weapon-Rifle), specifically created to tear through body armor.
The gun fires bullets with twice the kinetic energy of those from an AR-15 has a longer range, and has a noise suppressor that could make a gunman harder to locate

That's a sweet weapon for killing lots of people! I've been watching its development for a while now and it's a shame that they made it available to the public. Fortunately, its well over $7K so the everyday butt crevasse would probably not be able to purchase one.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I’m convinced that the tobacco industry approach is the way to go here. Whatever has to happen to hold these gun manufacturers responsible for marketing these weapons to the public, by allowing victims to sue these manufacturers I would support.

If I can remember, doesn't that require a change in legislation?

 

[SystemShock]

Guess what just went on sale?

SIG Sauer's MCX-SPEAR is the civilian equivalent of the US Army's NGSW-R (Next Generation Squad Weapon-Rifle), specifically created to tear through body armor.
The gun fires bullets with twice the kinetic energy of those from an AR-15 has a longer range, and has a noise suppressor that could make a gunman harder to locate

Those 277 rounds look like lipstick tubes with the lipstick all the way out.

 

[SystemShock]

I’m convinced that the tobacco industry approach is the way to go here. Whatever has to happen to hold these gun manufacturers responsible for marketing these weapons to the public, by allowing victims to sue these manufacturers I would support.

There is a very important difference: the tobacco industry was caught lying to the public about the effects of cigarette smoking and their marketing practices. Gun manufacturers don't tell you guns don't kill.

 

[zztop]

That's a sweet weapon for killing lots of people! I've been watching its development for a while now and it's a shame that they made it available to the public. Fortunately, its well over $7K so the everyday butt crevasse would probably not be able to purchase one.

yeah, that $7k price is the only hindrance. But I have a feeling someone will "splurge" b/c if they're going to go out in a blaze of craziness, they might as well go out in style.