Now is not the time to talk about gun control (3 Viewers)

[brandon]

T&P

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[Devildog]

Just go to any random gun range and you'll see why the educated among us want stricter regulations, even if it's mandatory gun safety training.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Scary when Tucker Carlson is influencing judicial decisions
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..........1. COVID vaccines are more dangerous than assault weapons. Benitez spilled a great deal of ink arguing that mass shootings involving assault weapons are “infinitesimally rare.” (At the same time, he argued California’s assault weapon ban has utterly failed to limit mass shootings, a contradiction he never attempts to square.) The judge reached his conclusion by discounting experts’ methods of counting mass shootings.

In reality, the AR-15-style rifle, the quintessential assault weapon, was used in many of the nation’s deadliest mass shootings, including in Boulder, Las Vegas, Aurora, Sutherland Springs, Pittsburgh, and Sandy Hook; a nearly identical rifle was also used in the Pulse massacre. Notably, the weapon was also used in the 2015 San Bernardino attack, which killed 14 Californians. Despite this record of slaughter, Benitez wrote that “contrary to public misinformation, mass shooting events are rare events.” Benitez added, “More people have died from the Covid-19 vaccine than mass shootings in California.”

As the Washington Post’s Aaron Blake reported on Monday, this claim is false. There have been, at most, three deaths that may be linked to the COVID vaccine in the entire country. That is just one-third the number of people shot to death in last month’s San Jose massacre. Blake notes that Benitez likely derived this myth from Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, who manipulated data to misleadingly suggest a link between COVID vaccines and death. Carlson’s lies have now crossed over into a major Second Amendment decision.

It should not come as a shock that Benitez regurgitated Carlson’s misinformation. The judge is widely known as a crank to attorneys who have tried cases in front of him. One told me: “I’ve appeared in front of 30 federal judges in my career. He was the most contemptuous, dimwitted one I’ve ever been in front of. He clearly opposed our case and tried to impeach our experts in front of the jury, but he wasn’t good enough to succeed at it. We won our case.”

2. Wounds from assault weapons are not especially lethal. According to Benitez, California lacks a real interest in banning assault weapons because they are not “unusually dangerous.” (He dismissed the label assault weapons, deeming it an epithet, and suggested “anti-crime guns” instead.) The judge wrote that “the injuries from firearms like the AR-15” are “no different from other firearms that are common and lawful to own.”

The growing number of ER doctors who have treated mass shooting victims know this is a lie. A typical AR-15 bullet travels three times faster than a typical 9 mm handgun bullet, imparting three times more energy. The result is carnage; AR-15 bullets disintegrate bones, destroy organs, and leave gaping exit wounds that increase the risk of bleeding out. As a doctor who treated Parkland victims wrote in the Atlantic:

The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.

Benitez dismissed these wounds as “no different” from injuries incurred by the typical handgun......

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Decided to put this here instead of EE
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About a week ago, a company in Utah that makes custom modifications to firearms debuted what it described as a fun new product: a kit that encases Glock handguns in red, yellow and blue Lego blocks, refashioning lethal weapons to look exactly like children’s toys.


“We have been building guns out of blocks for the last 30 years and wanted to flip the script to aggravate Mom,” Provo-based Culper Precision explained on its website.

It went on to argue that personal defense is a right granted by God and that gun ownership is protected by the Constitution before getting to the most important reason the company was selling “BLOCK19,” as the design was named, for $549 to $765, depending on the specifics.


“There is a satisfaction that can ONLY be found in the shooting sports and this is just one small way to break the rhetoric from Anti-Gun folks and draw attention to the fact that the shooting sports are SUPER FUN!” the site proclaimed, exuding a bravado that would prove to be short-lived. “Here’s the thing. Guns are fun. Shooting is fun. 30 rounds full auto is fun.”

What’s not fun, and went unaddressed on the sales page, is the reality that thousands of children unintentionally shoot themselves or others each year because they find a gun and pull its trigger. Culper Precision’s customization arrived at a time when that problem is only getting worse and firearm sales are soaring.

As word of the new product spread on the Internet late last week, the idea struck many people as so profoundly misguided that it would inevitably cost children their lives…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/07/13/lego-gun-glock-controversy/

 

[Paul]

How do you feel about the gun laws in the UK? How often do you guys have shootings like this? I remember the one after Ariane Grande concert years ago.
Do you think your gun laws help with the number of murder a and or mass shootings?

London knife crime hits record high with more than 15,000 offences in a year​

Knife crime at record high with over 15,000 London offences in a year

Knife crime in London has risen to a new high amid a nationwide surge in blade-offending, official figures revealed today.

www.standard.co.uk

At one time the mayor of London wanted to outlaw knives. He felt London has a knife problem.

Switzerland has a low gun related crime rate.

The Swiss government doesn't hand out a gun to every household. It requires nearly every able-bodied young male adult to serve in the citizen militia, where they are issued a military rifle. ... Ammunition purchased at shooting ranges -- which are very popular in Switzerland -

 

[samiam5211]

London knife crime hits record high with more than 15,000 offences in a year​

Knife crime at record high with over 15,000 London offences in a year

Knife crime in London has risen to a new high amid a nationwide surge in blade-offending, official figures revealed today.

www.standard.co.uk

At one time the mayor of London wanted to outlaw knives. He felt London has a knife problem.

Switzerland has a low gun related crime rate.

The Swiss government doesn't hand out a gun to every household. It requires nearly every able-bodied young male adult to serve in the citizen militia, where they are issued a military rifle. ... Ammunition purchased at shooting ranges -- which are very popular in Switzerland -

Is there anywhere in Switzerland where I can meet a guy in a parking lot and buy a gun out of his trunk?

 

[Paul]

Is there anywhere in Switzerland where I can meet a guy in a parking lot and buy a gun out of his trunk?

Ha, ha! Swiss gun laws are very liberal and it is not hard to buy a weapon over there. Firearms are part of Swiss culture. And they have some similarities to America with regards to the citizen militia. I don't believe they have a gun problem. The knife problem in London is much worse. Should knives be abolished in London?

Swiss gun culture has emerged from a long tradition of shooting (tirs), which served as a formative element of national identity in the post-Napoleonic Restoration of the Confederacy,[9] and the long-standing practice of a militia organization of the Swiss Army in which soldiers' service rifles are stored privately at their homes. In addition to this, many cantons (notably the alpine cantons of Grisons and Valais) have strong traditions of hunting, accounting for a large but unknown number of privately held hunting rifles, as only weapons acquired since 2008 are registered.

WIKI

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Yeah, I believe you can actually own fully automatic weapons in Switzerland with a permit. My info may be outdated, but that was previously the case.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Decided to put this here instead of EE
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About a week ago, a company in Utah that makes custom modifications to firearms debuted what it described as a fun new product: a kit that encases Glock handguns in red, yellow and blue Lego blocks, refashioning lethal weapons to look exactly like children’s toys.


“We have been building guns out of blocks for the last 30 years and wanted to flip the script to aggravate Mom,” Provo-based Culper Precision explained on its website.

It went on to argue that personal defense is a right granted by God and that gun ownership is protected by the Constitution before getting to the most important reason the company was selling “BLOCK19,” as the design was named, for $549 to $765, depending on the specifics.


“There is a satisfaction that can ONLY be found in the shooting sports and this is just one small way to break the rhetoric from Anti-Gun folks and draw attention to the fact that the shooting sports are SUPER FUN!” the site proclaimed, exuding a bravado that would prove to be short-lived. “Here’s the thing. Guns are fun. Shooting is fun. 30 rounds full auto is fun.”

What’s not fun, and went unaddressed on the sales page, is the reality that thousands of children unintentionally shoot themselves or others each year because they find a gun and pull its trigger. Culper Precision’s customization arrived at a time when that problem is only getting worse and firearm sales are soaring.

As word of the new product spread on the Internet late last week, the idea struck many people as so profoundly misguided that it would inevitably cost children their lives…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/07/13/lego-gun-glock-controversy/

This is the kind of stuff that gets innocent people killed. When stuff like this get in people's hands, cops now get to say, how was i supposed to know the nerf gun was really a nerf gun?

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is the kind of stuff that gets innocent people killed. When stuff like this get in people's hands, cops now get to say, how was i supposed to know the nerf gun was really a nerf gun?

this has terrible idea written all over it

 

[samiam5211]

Ha, ha! Swiss gun laws are very liberal and it is not hard to buy a weapon over there. Firearms are part of Swiss culture. And they have some similarities to America with regards to the citizen militia. I don't believe they have a gun problem. The knife problem in London is much worse. Should knives be abolished in London?

Swiss gun culture has emerged from a long tradition of shooting (tirs), which served as a formative element of national identity in the post-Napoleonic Restoration of the Confederacy,[9] and the long-standing practice of a militia organization of the Swiss Army in which soldiers' service rifles are stored privately at their homes. In addition to this, many cantons (notably the alpine cantons of Grisons and Valais) have strong traditions of hunting, accounting for a large but unknown number of privately held hunting rifles, as only weapons acquired since 2008 are registered.

WIKI

You didn’t answer my question.

Selling or purchasing a gun in Switzerland is much more regulated than it is in most of the US.

The have universal background checks, and most sales are registered.

I would be fine if the US adopted the Swiss model.

 

[Paul]

You didn’t answer my question.

Selling or purchasing a gun in Switzerland is much more regulated than it is in most of the US.

The have universal background checks, and most sales are registered.

I would be fine if the US adopted the Swiss model.

OK, but the kids shooting each other each night obtain the guns in the black market. How about trying to figure out why we have so much violence? London has violence too and the weapon of choice is the knife.

 

[not2rich]

OK, but the kids shooting each other each night obtain the guns in the black market. How about trying to figure out why we have so much violence? London has violence too and the weapon of choice is the knife.

As to your first statement, you're not referring to Switzerland's kids, are you? Whose country's kids are you referring to?

As to your second statement, what's your theory about why we have so much violence?

As to your third statement, even assuming London's knife violence is on a per capita basis as prevalent as US gun violence, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that guns are better at maiming and killing people than are knives.

 

[Taurus]

OK, but the kids shooting each other each night obtain the guns in the black market. How about trying to figure out why we have so much violence? London has violence too and the weapon of choice is the knife.

You aren't helping your cause with that last line.
Pulse, Vegas and Sandy Hook don't happen with a knife. If we could trade knife-wielding violence for gun violence I'd make that deal all day long, wouldn't you?
Same anger, same hate, same crazy but with knives instead of guns. That's what your last bit about London suggests.

 

[Paul]

You aren't helping your cause with that last line.
Pulse, Vegas and Sandy Hook don't happen with a knife. If we could trade knife-wielding violence for gun violence I'd make that deal all day long, wouldn't you?
Same anger, same hate, same crazy but with knives instead of guns. That's what your last bit about London suggests.

Excellent point!

The school shootings are done by mentally ill people. Can firearms be hermetically forbidden?

 

[The moose]

OK, but the kids shooting each other each night obtain the guns in the black market. How about trying to figure out why we have so much violence? London has violence too and the weapon of choice is the knife.

If you are referring to the black market or are you talking about person to person firearm sale?

Please explain the difference because not much in my eyes. If you can trade Guns legally without transferring names, information, and manufacturer numbers to a database it is the same.

Stolen gun sales and person to person sales have the same problems. Most of what you think is the black market is actually person to person sales and legal.

 

[Paul]

As to your first statement, you're not referring to Switzerland's kids, are you? Whose country's kids are you referring to?

As to your second statement, what's your theory about why we have so much violence?

As to your third statement, even assuming London's knife violence is on a per capita basis as prevalent as US gun violence, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that guns are better at maiming and killing people than are knives.

OK, good points. I cannot refute your logic.

 

[not2rich]

OK, good points. I cannot refute your logic.

My first two lines were just questions. First, when you talk about black market guns, which country are you talking about? I don't want to assume.

Second, your previous statement about "trying to figure out why we have so much violence" suggested you've given that question thought, so I just wanted to know what your thinking was.

 

[DaveXA]

Decided to put this here instead of EE
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About a week ago, a company in Utah that makes custom modifications to firearms debuted what it described as a fun new product: a kit that encases Glock handguns in red, yellow and blue Lego blocks, refashioning lethal weapons to look exactly like children’s toys.


“We have been building guns out of blocks for the last 30 years and wanted to flip the script to aggravate Mom,” Provo-based Culper Precision explained on its website.

It went on to argue that personal defense is a right granted by God and that gun ownership is protected by the Constitution before getting to the most important reason the company was selling “BLOCK19,” as the design was named, for $549 to $765, depending on the specifics.


“There is a satisfaction that can ONLY be found in the shooting sports and this is just one small way to break the rhetoric from Anti-Gun folks and draw attention to the fact that the shooting sports are SUPER FUN!” the site proclaimed, exuding a bravado that would prove to be short-lived. “Here’s the thing. Guns are fun. Shooting is fun. 30 rounds full auto is fun.”

What’s not fun, and went unaddressed on the sales page, is the reality that thousands of children unintentionally shoot themselves or others each year because they find a gun and pull its trigger. Culper Precision’s customization arrived at a time when that problem is only getting worse and firearm sales are soaring.

As word of the new product spread on the Internet late last week, the idea struck many people as so profoundly misguided that it would inevitably cost children their lives…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/07/13/lego-gun-glock-controversy/

What the heck...that's disturbing on so many levels.