Media Tracker (2 Viewers)

[SaintForLife]

I figured we needed a thread specifically about the media.

There was a very big correction recently by the Washington Post.


That story was supposedly "independently confirmed" by CNN, NBC News, USA Today, ABC News, & PBS News Hour. How could they all have gotten the quote wrong if they actually independently confirmed the story?






Why do all the errors always go in one political direction and not closer to 50/50?

 

[MT15]

You are almost as incoherent as Trump these days.

 

[bird]

Sigh. Byrd denounced his membership in the KKK. Has the Republican Partyrepudiated David Duke? Has the mentally declining leader of the Republican Party repudiated him?

 

[Optimus Prime]

It’s possible for two conflicting ideas to be true at once.

And so it is with the mainstream media’s unrelenting focus on Joe Biden’s mental acuity, following his terrible debate performance earlier this month.

First truth: the president’s stumble and the political fallout that followed is a huge, consequential news story that deserves a lot of coverage.


Second truth: the media coverage is overkill – not only too much in quantity and too breathless in tone, but also taking up so much oxygen that a story even more important is shoved to the back burner.

That bigger story, of course, is the former president’s appalling unfitness for office, not only because he tried to overturn a legitimate election and is a felon, out on bail and awaiting sentencing, but because of things he has said and done in very recent weeks. As just one example, he claimed that he doesn’t know anything about Project 2025, the radical rightwing plan hatched by some of his closest allies to begin dismantling our democracy if he wins another term.

Trump’s disavowal is a ridiculous lie, but I doubt most members of the public know anything about it, nor do they likely know much – if anything – about Project 2025.

But anyone following mainstream media coverage could not miss knowing about the latest polls on whether Biden should step aside, how Kamala Harris would fare in a head-to-head competition with Trump, and which members of Congress have called for a new Democratic nominee.

And those are just the news stories – not to mention the nonstop punditry on cable news and the near takeover of the opinion sections of major publications.

Meanwhile, what of Trump’s obvious cognitive decline, his endless lies, his shocking plans to imprison his political enemies and to deport millions of people he calls “animals”, his relationship with the late accused sex-trafficker Jeffrey Epstein?


“Sure, you can say, we’ve covered those things,” commented Norman Ornstein, emeritus scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a longtime observer of media and politics. But, Ornstein pushed back: “Where? On the front page above the fold? As one-offs before moving on? In a fashion comparable to the Defcon 1 coverage of Biden’s age and acuity?”………

The media has been breathlessly attacking Biden. What about Trump? | Margaret Sullivan

The bigger story is Donald Trump’s appalling unfitness for office. He tried to overturn a legitimate election and is a felon

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

Finally!

 

[DaveXA]

It’s possible for two conflicting ideas to be true at once.

And so it is with the mainstream media’s unrelenting focus on Joe Biden’s mental acuity, following his terrible debate performance earlier this month.

First truth: the president’s stumble and the political fallout that followed is a huge, consequential news story that deserves a lot of coverage.


Second truth: the media coverage is overkill – not only too much in quantity and too breathless in tone, but also taking up so much oxygen that a story even more important is shoved to the back burner.

That bigger story, of course, is the former president’s appalling unfitness for office, not only because he tried to overturn a legitimate election and is a felon, out on bail and awaiting sentencing, but because of things he has said and done in very recent weeks. As just one example, he claimed that he doesn’t know anything about Project 2025, the radical rightwing plan hatched by some of his closest allies to begin dismantling our democracy if he wins another term.

Trump’s disavowal is a ridiculous lie, but I doubt most members of the public know anything about it, nor do they likely know much – if anything – about Project 2025.

But anyone following mainstream media coverage could not miss knowing about the latest polls on whether Biden should step aside, how Kamala Harris would fare in a head-to-head competition with Trump, and which members of Congress have called for a new Democratic nominee.

And those are just the news stories – not to mention the nonstop punditry on cable news and the near takeover of the opinion sections of major publications.

Meanwhile, what of Trump’s obvious cognitive decline, his endless lies, his shocking plans to imprison his political enemies and to deport millions of people he calls “animals”, his relationship with the late accused sex-trafficker Jeffrey Epstein?


“Sure, you can say, we’ve covered those things,” commented Norman Ornstein, emeritus scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a longtime observer of media and politics. But, Ornstein pushed back: “Where? On the front page above the fold? As one-offs before moving on? In a fashion comparable to the Defcon 1 coverage of Biden’s age and acuity?”………

The media has been breathlessly attacking Biden. What about Trump? | Margaret Sullivan

The bigger story is Donald Trump’s appalling unfitness for office. He tried to overturn a legitimate election and is a felon

www.theguardian.com

I wonder if maybe they're getting it all out of their system now so the focus can turn to other things. Sorta like people get tired of hearing about it and want to move on to something else.

 

[MT15]

I wonder if maybe they're getting it all out of their system now so the focus can turn to other things. Sorta like people get tired of hearing about it and want to move on to something else.

Gosh I sure hope so.

 

[SamAndreas]

I wonder if maybe they're getting it all out of their system now so the focus can turn to other things. Sorta like people get tired of hearing about it and want to move on to something else.

I've noticed a positive to this which if it becomes a trend might be a big boon for Biden. His daily speeches and appearances are being broadcast by the news now, and on the flip side the Criminal is being ignored by the news.

Talk about a turn around. The criminal's press coverage is always negative, and he's always benefited by that aspect of it as well.

Biden has actually stolen the Criminal's secret fire. That is what is astounding. I bet the Criminal is fomenting and fumening now, asking how did that happen.

Well, remember my theory, which is still alive, that Biden threw that debate on purpose for a political end, that of lowering the expectations upon him??? Well, here are some results going in that direction, the question remains did Biden do this for a purpose?

Another result in that direction, home folks start to get tired of a daily media grind, the media will soon need to find something else to talk about. What happens then???

No one after this magnificent flap will be able to resurrect this issue in October. If they try it will fall on exhausted ears and piss off the recipient of that message such that they will view it from the contrary.

So I've been quietly sitting my theory that he did this of a purpose, and it will work. To recap It's how Biden got rid of the bussing issue that would have ended his campaign in 2020, had he not had Harris by his side to viciously attack him in that debate, and make that go away under a torrent of friendly fire.

Do it once it might be a mistake, do it twice and it becomes less likely to have been a mistake. It appears to be a useful political tool to use on stubborn stains which won't wash off.

Aging won't wash off and anyone who continues to attack him over once the issue has gone past it's pull date, will engender sympathy for the old man.

Being both old and gentle is a seat of honor in our society for crying out loud.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I wonder if maybe they're getting it all out of their system now so the focus can turn to other things. Sorta like people get tired of hearing about it and want to move on to something else.

I'm thinking that's what will happen. Better this story flare up and burn out now than sometime in late August or later.

I think it's inevitable that attention will turn to Trump's connections to Epstein. News outlets want viewers and nothing gets viewers like a sex scandal. I think they may be squeezing every bit of ratings out of the Biden story that they can before they move on to the next. Can't have two top attention getting stories at one time, so no sense in burning a story now while the Biden one is still smoldering.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I've noticed a positive to this which if it becomes a trend might be a big boon for Biden. His daily speeches and appearances are being broadcast by the news now, and on the flip side the Criminal is being ignored by the news.

Talk about a turn around. The criminal's press coverage is always negative, and he's always benefited by that aspect of it as well.

Biden has actually stolen the Criminal's secret fire. That is what is astounding. I bet the Criminal is fomenting and fumening now, asking how did that happen.

Well, remember my theory, which is still alive, that Biden threw that debate on purpose for a political end, that of lowering the expectations upon him??? Well, here are some results going in that direction, the question remains did Biden do this for a purpose?

Another result in that direction, home folks start to get tired of a daily media grind, the media will soon need to find something else to talk about. What happens then???

No one after this magnificent flap will be able to resurrect this issue in October. If they try it will fall on exhausted ears and piss off the recipient of that message such that they will view it from the contrary.

So I've been quietly sitting my theory that he did this of a purpose, and it will work. To recap It's how Biden got rid of the bussing issue that would have ended his campaign in 2020, had he not had Harris by his side to viciously attack him in that debate, and make that go away under a torrent of friendly fire.

Do it once it might be a mistake, do it twice and it becomes less likely to have been a mistake. It appears to be a useful political tool to use on stubborn stains which won't wash off.

Aging won't wash off and anyone who continues to attack him over once the issue has gone past it's pull date, will engender sympathy for the old man.

Being both old and gentle is a seat of honor in our society for crying out loud.

You're talking about the same strategy that the prosecution sometimes does during a criminal trial. They'll preemptively call a problematic defense witness to get to be the one that has the most control over the witnesses testimony.

 

[SamAndreas]

You're talking about the same strategy that the prosecution sometimes does during a criminal trial. They'll preemptively call a problematic defense witness to get to be the one that has the most control over the witnesses testimony.

Yes, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm well aware of that. It the stuff of table conversation when I'm around kinfolk. Many in my extended clan are lawyers. My brother in law is the one I talk with the most about it.

I personally study Jewish Law, I don't anymore struggle with it in Hebrew, et.al, not like I once did. You have to know three languages to read a Talmud. I did that when I was young. Now I use a translated Talmud when I'm poking around.

I don't spend much time on it anymore.

That said don't assume I'm a deeply religious person, that's not actually a requirement under Judaism if one wishes to study that form of law. It's what I needed to study to understand where I came from. Parts of me came from.

I'm a mongrel, we're kind of kind.

 

[DaveXA]

You're talking about the same strategy that the prosecution sometimes does during a criminal trial. They'll preemptively call a problematic defense witness to get to be the one that has the most control over the witnesses testimony.

Yep, and I think controlling the narrative and messaging is hugely important late in the election cycle. Republicans have often won elections they had no business winning because of it. We'll see how that all plays out.

 

[SamAndreas]

Yep, and I think controlling the narrative and messaging is hugely important late in the election cycle. Republicans have often won elections they had no business winning because of it. We'll see how that all plays out.

It will turn out fine Dave.

By the way I have a bridge, would like to own a bridge?

 

[SaintForLife]

But he kept it quiet for 2 years lol. The corporate media at it's best!

 

[bird]

But he kept it quiet for 2 years lol. The corporate media at it's best!

Well, hell’s bells and Easter ears, if Chuck “Whatabout/bothsides do it” Todd said it then it must be true.

Still waiting for your breathless posts about Trump’s rapid cognitive decline.

 

[J-DONK]

Yep, and I think controlling the narrative and messaging is hugely important late in the election cycle. Republicans have often won elections they had no business winning because of it. We'll see how that all plays out.

Swiftboat baby.

Biden walked right into the 4 year campaign against his competency.

70% of the country thinks he isn't fit to serve.

That is dipping into your CORE.

His campaign is over.

This is the lens a huge portion of the country will see him through from now on.

I see we still got people "White knuckling it" as Jon put it.

 

[MT15]

Swiftboat baby.

Biden walked right into the 4 year campaign against his competency.

70% of the country thinks he isn't fit to serve.

That is dipping into your CORE.

His campaign is over.

This is the lens a huge portion of the country will see him through from now on.

I see we still got people "White knuckling it" as Jon put it.

I’m still waiting for a serious proposal on how you remove a candidate from the ticket who won all the primaries and locked up the nomination? For what reason? It has to be a real reason, not his polls look bad or I want someone else.

And then a serious plan formulated for what to do next, and no, Carville’s idea isn’t really serious, IMO. It smacks of one of those reality TV show.

Stewart is just another privileged person who just wants what he wants, actual voters be damned. It’s not a good look, IMO.

 

[J-DONK]

I’m still waiting for a serious proposal on how you remove a candidate from the ticket who won all the primaries and locked up the nomination? For what reason? It has to be a real reason, not his polls look bad or I want someone else.

And then a serious plan formulated for what to do next, and no, Carville’s idea isn’t really serious, IMO. It smacks of one of those reality TV show.

Stewart is just another privileged person who just wants what he wants, actual voters be damned. It’s not a good look, IMO.

I'm going to say this as nice to you as possible.

The first person who suggested this kind of mini-primary was a former member of the party executive committee. This idea has also been championed Clyburn.

Serious people back this idea.

This post isn't a good look.

 

[LA - L.A.]

70% of the country thinks he isn't fit to serve.

And according to those same polls you rely on, around 45% of the country says they're still voting for Biden.

This is the lens a huge portion of the country will see him through from now on.

The lens is that Biden is older and more aged than they'd care for, but they're still voting for him, according to the polls that you rely on. I think those polls are greatly underestimating how many people will vote for Biden.

I hope you continue to be as mistaken in your forecasting of Biden's 2024 campaign prospects as you were in 2020 when you said Biden was likely going to lose. It's not that I want to see you be wrong again, it's just that I don't want Trump to win, which means you have to be wrong in your forecasting.