Looming budget battle: Will the GOP force federal shutdown (2 Viewers)

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    superchuck500

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    Annual federal appropriations will lapse on September 30, 2023 - now less than a month away. After the debt-ceiling fight, many anticipated that the FY 2024 funding battle could see a federal government shutdown of some length as Republicans push for more budget cuts . . . and that was before Special Counsel Jack Smith's office filed two separate criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump. Desperate to hit back in any way they can, the MAGAs in Congress have already said they will attempt to de-fund the prosecution. Of course, the only way they could even attempt to do that would be to force a shutdown of the entire federal government, or at least the civilian executive agencies presuming a bill funding DOD could get through.

    It's hard to imagine that they won't try this, the questions are when will they try it and how much of the GOP goes along with the MAGAs (i.e. Freedom Caucus), particularly in the Senate where McConnell has already indicated no interest in such a gambit . . . though McConnell's health may eventually come into play. Would, for example, the Republicans agree to a continuing resolution to fund the government for several months to allow the time to get closer to the Trump federal trial dates before actually attempting a shutdown? (March 4 in DC and May 20 in Florida).

    One factor in play is that federal funding rules allow the Article III courts (which include the federal district and appellate courts) to continue operation in a shutdown and they also allow for federal agencies to continue with "excepted" activities that include, generally, federal criminal prosecutions. (See article below). This allowance, however, is not perpetual, it is funded by other sources that do eventually dry up - so eventually they would shut down. Hypothetically, but such a lengthy shutdown would be terribly detrimental to the economy and have substantial political damage for the party perceived to have caused it . . . in this case that wouldn't be much of a debate.

    For those reasons, I think the smarter GOP leaders, particularly in the Senate, will recognized that trying to use the budget as a tool to harm the Trump prosecutions is a fool's game: it's almost certain not to achieve that goal and it's to bring about substantial harm. But the MAGAs aren't as smart and given their wild allegiance to Trump, we can expect some sort of effort. At minimum it gives them an ability to say to their MAGA constituents that they tried to shutdown the prosecutions but were sold out by the RINOs in the Senate.

    Going to be an interesting showdown. I don't think I can recall a shutdown battle where actually shutting the government down so that it couldn't function was the objective rather than a tool for coercion. Crazy.



     
    Is the Senate bill “clean”? I heard that it was. If McCarthy were smart or had any moral courage at all he would pass the Senate version and marginalize the MAGA idiots.

    It’s not fully clean - it includes Ukraine and disaster funds. Some GOP senators have been talking about a border amendment. But it’s clean as to the budget. It may even call for the 1 percent reduction that the June debt ceiling deal provided for.
     
    Oddly, I highly doubt he will be Speaker much longer no matter what. Unless he cuts a deal with Democrats……
    The only deal for SotH the D's should make with the R's is for Jefferies! McCarthy has NO integrity and he will default on anything if it benefits him.
     
    Oddly, I highly doubt he will be Speaker much longer no matter what. Unless he cuts a deal with Democrats……

    I don’t think they’ll be interested. They may support some other Main Street caucus member that challenges but they won’t join McCarthy. For a lot of reasons but being totally untrustworthy is at the top. He has zero credibility now.
     
    Someone should pipe in a lil Loverboy- Everybodys working for the weekend.

    What a great photo cuz thats precisely how he should look right now. And pondering all that got him to this point.

    McCarthy keeps claiming that if Biden would only agree to meet with him, they could work this out.

    Biden met with him - in June and they came to an agreement on this very issue that McCarthy is now refusing to honor.
     
    McCarthy keeps claiming that if Biden would only agree to meet with him, they could work this out.

    Biden met with him - in June and they came to an agreement on this very issue that McCarthy is now refusing to honor.
    Biden should run to the podium and say "Negotiating with House Republicans is akin to negotiating with terrorist! You give them an inch and then they demand a mile! That's not governance, that's holding the American people hostage!" then explain that we will honor the original agreement and it's up to McCarthy to get his extremist under control.
     
    Biden should run to the podium and say "Negotiating with House Republicans is akin to negotiating with terrorist! You give them an inch and then they demand a mile! That's not governance, that's holding the American people hostage!" then explain that we will honor the original agreement and it's up to McCarthy to get his extremist under control.
    McCarthy and his bowels are in control thats about all he can control. right now he may need depends.
     
    Biden should run to the podium and say "Negotiating with House Republicans is akin to negotiating with terrorist! You give them an inch and then they demand a mile! That's not governance, that's holding the American people hostage!" then explain that we will honor the original agreement and it's up to McCarthy to get his extremist under control.

    He's been saying that (and the White House press and social media have been on that) for the past few days - ever since McCarthy floated this idea of a "meeting".
     

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