Looming budget battle: Will the GOP force federal shutdown (2 Viewers)

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    Annual federal appropriations will lapse on September 30, 2023 - now less than a month away. After the debt-ceiling fight, many anticipated that the FY 2024 funding battle could see a federal government shutdown of some length as Republicans push for more budget cuts . . . and that was before Special Counsel Jack Smith's office filed two separate criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump. Desperate to hit back in any way they can, the MAGAs in Congress have already said they will attempt to de-fund the prosecution. Of course, the only way they could even attempt to do that would be to force a shutdown of the entire federal government, or at least the civilian executive agencies presuming a bill funding DOD could get through.

    It's hard to imagine that they won't try this, the questions are when will they try it and how much of the GOP goes along with the MAGAs (i.e. Freedom Caucus), particularly in the Senate where McConnell has already indicated no interest in such a gambit . . . though McConnell's health may eventually come into play. Would, for example, the Republicans agree to a continuing resolution to fund the government for several months to allow the time to get closer to the Trump federal trial dates before actually attempting a shutdown? (March 4 in DC and May 20 in Florida).

    One factor in play is that federal funding rules allow the Article III courts (which include the federal district and appellate courts) to continue operation in a shutdown and they also allow for federal agencies to continue with "excepted" activities that include, generally, federal criminal prosecutions. (See article below). This allowance, however, is not perpetual, it is funded by other sources that do eventually dry up - so eventually they would shut down. Hypothetically, but such a lengthy shutdown would be terribly detrimental to the economy and have substantial political damage for the party perceived to have caused it . . . in this case that wouldn't be much of a debate.

    For those reasons, I think the smarter GOP leaders, particularly in the Senate, will recognized that trying to use the budget as a tool to harm the Trump prosecutions is a fool's game: it's almost certain not to achieve that goal and it's to bring about substantial harm. But the MAGAs aren't as smart and given their wild allegiance to Trump, we can expect some sort of effort. At minimum it gives them an ability to say to their MAGA constituents that they tried to shutdown the prosecutions but were sold out by the RINOs in the Senate.

    Going to be an interesting showdown. I don't think I can recall a shutdown battle where actually shutting the government down so that it couldn't function was the objective rather than a tool for coercion. Crazy.



     
    Whiney propaganda = being against an omnibus spending bill and wanting separate votes on individual bills.

    You can continue to regurgitate corporate media propaganda that claims omnibus spending bills and bills that aren't given much time to read are totally democratic.

    Can you point out where I or the tweets said they the Senate bill passed?

    In regards to the current holdup with keeping the government from shutting down:


    What?

    The first tweet strongly intimates that they were asked to vote on the CR without time to review it. The second tweet very specifically says "we're supposed to vote on it right now".

    Are you telling me that you and their intended audience knew that they were actually just complaining about having to vote on whether to send the bill to the floor for debate? That's nonsense. More than 3/4 of the Senate voted in support of advancing it to debate - it's not controversial. To debate! lol. Come on.

    If a bill is passed by both houses and signed by the president, I consider that democratic. You can call that "corporate media propaganda" all you want, but there's receipts about when and how those bills were created, how they were advanced, and who voted for them.
     
    Holy cow.

    you dont know the difference between a continuing resolution and omnibus. What those TWO tweets you posted were in regards to the CR ( which passed 77-19 )

    NOW its making sense. You have no idea what you are speaking about.

    imagine that.

    It wasn't even to pass the CR. It was to put them to the floor to open debate.

    And since there appears to be some gaps here in understanding how Congress works, after debate is opened and held, there will be a cloture vote, and then a vote on the bill itself.

    None of which has happened yet.
     
    It wasn't even to pass the CR. It was to put them to the floor to open debate.

    And since there appears to be some gaps here in understanding how Congress works, after debate is opened and held, there will be a cloture vote, and then a vote on the bill itself.

    None of which has happened yet.

    Correct just MOVE the CR to floor for debate lolol
     
    Whiney propaganda = being against an omnibus spending bill and wanting separate votes on individual bills.

    You can continue to regurgitate corporate media propaganda that claims omnibus spending bills and bills that aren't given much time to read are totally democratic.

    Can you point out where I or the tweets said they the Senate bill passed?

    In regards to the current holdup with keeping the government from shutting down:


    Why haven't those 12 separate appropriations bills been moved out of their respective House committees'? Did McCarthy stop those bills from being voted out of committee? Did the Democrats? Who stopped those appropriation bills in committees' and didn't allow votes on them?
     
    What?

    The first tweet strongly intimates that they were asked to vote on the CR without time to review it. The second tweet very specifically says "we're supposed to vote on it right now".

    Are you telling me that you and their intended audience knew that they were actually just complaining about having to vote on whether to send the bill to the floor for debate? That's nonsense. More than 3/4 of the Senate voted in support of advancing it to debate - it's not controversial. To debate! lol. Come on.

    If a bill is passed by both houses and signed by the president, I consider that democratic. You can call that "corporate media propaganda" all you want, but there's receipts about when and how those bills were created, how they were advanced, and who voted for them.
    I'm still waiting for you to tell me how it's better to pass omnibus spending bills rather than have votes on separate bills.
     
    I'm still waiting for you to tell me how it's better to pass omnibus spending bills rather than have votes on separate bills.

    I never said it's better. I said it's a product of how Congress does business. But whether 12 bills of 300 pages each are advanced and passed by both houses and signed by the president or a single omnibus bill of 3600 pages is advanced and passed by both houses and signed by the president is largely a process question, don't you agree?

    What is it about omnibus spending bills that you find so sinister?
     
    McCarthy had a deal that Rs agreed to back months ago. This is unforgivably stupid.

     

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