Looming budget battle: Will the GOP force federal shutdown (1 Viewer)

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    Annual federal appropriations will lapse on September 30, 2023 - now less than a month away. After the debt-ceiling fight, many anticipated that the FY 2024 funding battle could see a federal government shutdown of some length as Republicans push for more budget cuts . . . and that was before Special Counsel Jack Smith's office filed two separate criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump. Desperate to hit back in any way they can, the MAGAs in Congress have already said they will attempt to de-fund the prosecution. Of course, the only way they could even attempt to do that would be to force a shutdown of the entire federal government, or at least the civilian executive agencies presuming a bill funding DOD could get through.

    It's hard to imagine that they won't try this, the questions are when will they try it and how much of the GOP goes along with the MAGAs (i.e. Freedom Caucus), particularly in the Senate where McConnell has already indicated no interest in such a gambit . . . though McConnell's health may eventually come into play. Would, for example, the Republicans agree to a continuing resolution to fund the government for several months to allow the time to get closer to the Trump federal trial dates before actually attempting a shutdown? (March 4 in DC and May 20 in Florida).

    One factor in play is that federal funding rules allow the Article III courts (which include the federal district and appellate courts) to continue operation in a shutdown and they also allow for federal agencies to continue with "excepted" activities that include, generally, federal criminal prosecutions. (See article below). This allowance, however, is not perpetual, it is funded by other sources that do eventually dry up - so eventually they would shut down. Hypothetically, but such a lengthy shutdown would be terribly detrimental to the economy and have substantial political damage for the party perceived to have caused it . . . in this case that wouldn't be much of a debate.

    For those reasons, I think the smarter GOP leaders, particularly in the Senate, will recognized that trying to use the budget as a tool to harm the Trump prosecutions is a fool's game: it's almost certain not to achieve that goal and it's to bring about substantial harm. But the MAGAs aren't as smart and given their wild allegiance to Trump, we can expect some sort of effort. At minimum it gives them an ability to say to their MAGA constituents that they tried to shutdown the prosecutions but were sold out by the RINOs in the Senate.

    Going to be an interesting showdown. I don't think I can recall a shutdown battle where actually shutting the government down so that it couldn't function was the objective rather than a tool for coercion. Crazy.



     
    Seems the Senate will send over a fairly clean CR to the House. This is all going to be on McCarthy. A clean CR would likely pass the House but it would be passed by Democrats and moderate Republicans. Will McCarthy allow that?



    Looks like McCarthy and Scalise have their own GOP CR plan - it would buy 30 to 45 days and it includes some kind significant concession for the border that he wants to put on Biden to decide. This assumes he can actually pass such a CR and it also neglects the Senate.

    We'll see how far this strategy gets.



     
    80% CUT from Title 1 Program?

    EIGHTY ?

    followed by HUD cut of 30%

    HOLY TARGET THE POOR BATMAN....how on Earth do these folks sleep at night?

    Yeah, it's pretty wild. The WaPo article says those programs are targeted because that's where the soft money is - there aren't many places to look for money. But so what, it's pretty forked up that nearly ALL of the cuts go directly to programs that help poor people.
     
    Yeah, it's pretty wild. The WaPo article says those programs are targeted because that's where the soft money is - there aren't many places to look for money. But so what, it's pretty forked up that nearly ALL of the cuts go directly to programs that help poor people.

    im still reeling over the 80% figure. Why even fund a program at 2/10ths of LAST funding? Im sure administrative costs are at least 1/10th of it.

    so its basically broke and defunct.

    disheartening.
     
    im still reeling over the 80% figure. Why even fund a program at 2/10ths of LAST funding? Im sure administrative costs are at least 1/10th of it.

    so its basically broke and defunct.

    disheartening.

    That program is a grant program - it sends grant funds to public schools and is largely driven by the economics of the districts they're in. The program was intended to help make up budget shortfalls in poor area with low tax base. So it goes directly to poor schools.

    The House GOP said that it's okay because many of these schools got large payments from COVID funds, and there's still a chunk of those funds that haven't yet been distributed - but it's still a pretty major cut.

    What's ironic (or not if you're properly cynical) is that many in the GOP that talk about disbanding the Dept. of Ed. say they would replace it by sending funds to the states and schools directly . . . which is just typical clueless, that's exactly what a grant program like Title I is. All the Dept. of Ed. does with Title I is administer the grant program (handle the paperwork, confirm the eligibility, and distribute the funds). It's literally exactly the same set-up that they're calling for - someone on the fed side has to administer it, it's certainly not going to be Congress. But here we are, trying to gut that program.
     
    Looks like McCarthy and Scalise have their own GOP CR plan - it would buy 30 to 45 days and it includes some kind significant concession for the border that he wants to put on Biden to decide. This assumes he can actually pass such a CR and it also neglects the Senate.

    We'll see how far this strategy gets.




    He's also said that if the Senate bill made it to the House he's basically going to add the border stuff to it, which pretty much kills it IMHO.
     
    So "progress" at the House - they've carried a vote to open debate on the four spending bills they actually worked on so far, along with the one they already passed (there's 12 total).

     
    That dude is such a wuss. He ought to go hang out with his kid.

    He's the one who basically thinks that he's carrying Trump's water by shutting the government down . . . despite the fact that a shutdown would do nothing for Trump unless you're talking about shutting it down for like six months.

     
    I was told this doesn't happen.

    No you weren't. You were told that 4,000 page omnibus bills aren't dropped on members with no knowledge of their contents and half an hour to read them. Budget CRs are passed all the time - there were 47 of them between 2012 and 2022. And if you've ever read legislation, you should know that 80 pages isn't really a lot - and much if it is pro-forma standardized text for such a resolution.

    And you're also being lied to again. The Senate did not vote to pass the CR, that vote hasn't happened yet. The Senate voted to move the bill to the floor to open debate.

    Are you really endorsing this whiney propaganda about the Senate majority moving an 80 page CR to the floor for debate three working days before a shutdown? I assure you that these members and their staff will have plenty of time to digest the 80 pages of the bill before they are asked to actually vote for or against it.
     
    I was told this doesn't happen.



    And it still doesn't!

    Who were the people working on this resolution? Was it Schumer working alone on the basement or was it a bi-partisan team working together to stymie the efforts of the GOP extremist that are determined to get their way by any means necessary?
     
    No you weren't. You were told that 4,000 page omnibus bills aren't dropped on members with no knowledge of their contents and half an hour to read them. Budget CRs are passed all the time - there were 47 of them between 2012 and 2022. And if you've ever read legislation, you should know that 80 pages isn't really a lot - and much if it is pro-forma standardized text for such a resolution.

    And you're also being lied to again. The Senate did not vote to pass the CR, that vote hasn't happened yet. The Senate voted to move the bill to the floor to open debate.

    Are you really endorsing this whiney propaganda about the Senate majority moving an 80 page CR to the floor for debate three working days before a shutdown? I assure you that these members and their staff will have plenty of time to digest the 80 pages of the bill before they are asked to actually vote for or against it.


    The vote sets the Senate up to pass a continuing resolution (CR) later this week, which it could then send to the House to avoid a shutdown on Oct. 1. If the Senate can pass a CR later this week, it could put pressure on the House to bring it to the floor as the lower chamber struggles to make progress on its own.




    And yes he is- and now that his "agenda" has been blown to smithereens, he will disengage on this topic and move on. Unless someone tweets out some additional misnfo that he laps up and runs to post.
     
    The vote sets the Senate up to pass a continuing resolution (CR) later this week, which it could then send to the House to avoid a shutdown on Oct. 1. If the Senate can pass a CR later this week, it could put pressure on the House to bring it to the floor as the lower chamber struggles to make progress on its own.




    And yes he is- and now that his "agenda" has been blown to smithereens, he will disengage on this topic and move on. Unless someone tweets out some additional misnfo that he laps up and runs to post.

    The problem is just the mindless acceptance of propaganda. Those members are pushing an anti-government narrative and they want to paint it as dysfunctional and anti-democratic as they can because they don't have a majority to pass their agenda - so they sew mistrust and conspiracy to delegitimize what the body actually does. It's highly destructive and itself incredibly anti-democratic.

    By no means is this behavior limited to the MAGA right, but it's certainly concentrated there since about the time of the Tea Party. But certainly it happens elsewhere in politics, I think politicians are far more willing to mischaracterize and exploit lack of knowledge in the constituency than they used to be.
     
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    The problem is just the mindless acceptance of propaganda. Those members are pushing an anti-government narrative and they want to paint it as dysfunctional and anti-democratic as they can because they don't have a majority to pass their agenda - so they sew mistrust and conspiracy to delegitimize what the body actually does. It's highly destructive and itself incredibly anti-democratic.

    By no means is this behavior limited to the MAGA right, but it's certainly concentrated there since about the time of the Tea Party.


    The same "body" they work for. Insanely self-destructive because at some point in all this "scorched earth" policy, they will find themselves surrounded by fire.

    btw- as i said, he over on Covid thread now. Its the most transparent playbook ever.
     
    No you weren't. You were told that 4,000 page omnibus bills aren't dropped on members with no knowledge of their contents and half an hour to read them. Budget CRs are passed all the time - there were 47 of them between 2012 and 2022. And if you've ever read legislation, you should know that 80 pages isn't really a lot - and much if it is pro-forma standardized text for such a resolution.

    And you're also being lied to again. The Senate did not vote to pass the CR, that vote hasn't happened yet. The Senate voted to move the bill to the floor to open debate.

    Are you really endorsing this whiney propaganda about the Senate majority moving an 80 page CR to the floor for debate three working days before a shutdown? I assure you that these members and their staff will have plenty of time to digest the 80 pages of the bill before they are asked to actually vote for or against it.
    Whiney propaganda = being against an omnibus spending bill and wanting separate votes on individual bills.

    You can continue to regurgitate corporate media propaganda that claims omnibus spending bills and bills that aren't given much time to read are totally democratic.

    Can you point out where I or the tweets said they the Senate bill passed?

    In regards to the current holdup with keeping the government from shutting down:
     
    Whiney propaganda = being against an omnibus spending bill and wanting separate votes on individual bills.

    You can continue to regurgitate corporate media propaganda that claims omnibus spending bills and bills that aren't given much time to read are totally democratic.

    Can you point out where I or the tweets said they the Senate bill passed?

    In regards to the current holdup with keeping the government from shutting down:



    Holy cow.

    you dont know the difference between a continuing resolution and omnibus. What those TWO tweets you posted were in regards to the CR ( which passed 77-19 )

    NOW its making sense. You have no idea what you are speaking about.

    imagine that.
     

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