Looming budget battle: Will the GOP force federal shutdown (3 Viewers)

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    Annual federal appropriations will lapse on September 30, 2023 - now less than a month away. After the debt-ceiling fight, many anticipated that the FY 2024 funding battle could see a federal government shutdown of some length as Republicans push for more budget cuts . . . and that was before Special Counsel Jack Smith's office filed two separate criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump. Desperate to hit back in any way they can, the MAGAs in Congress have already said they will attempt to de-fund the prosecution. Of course, the only way they could even attempt to do that would be to force a shutdown of the entire federal government, or at least the civilian executive agencies presuming a bill funding DOD could get through.

    It's hard to imagine that they won't try this, the questions are when will they try it and how much of the GOP goes along with the MAGAs (i.e. Freedom Caucus), particularly in the Senate where McConnell has already indicated no interest in such a gambit . . . though McConnell's health may eventually come into play. Would, for example, the Republicans agree to a continuing resolution to fund the government for several months to allow the time to get closer to the Trump federal trial dates before actually attempting a shutdown? (March 4 in DC and May 20 in Florida).

    One factor in play is that federal funding rules allow the Article III courts (which include the federal district and appellate courts) to continue operation in a shutdown and they also allow for federal agencies to continue with "excepted" activities that include, generally, federal criminal prosecutions. (See article below). This allowance, however, is not perpetual, it is funded by other sources that do eventually dry up - so eventually they would shut down. Hypothetically, but such a lengthy shutdown would be terribly detrimental to the economy and have substantial political damage for the party perceived to have caused it . . . in this case that wouldn't be much of a debate.

    For those reasons, I think the smarter GOP leaders, particularly in the Senate, will recognized that trying to use the budget as a tool to harm the Trump prosecutions is a fool's game: it's almost certain not to achieve that goal and it's to bring about substantial harm. But the MAGAs aren't as smart and given their wild allegiance to Trump, we can expect some sort of effort. At minimum it gives them an ability to say to their MAGA constituents that they tried to shutdown the prosecutions but were sold out by the RINOs in the Senate.

    Going to be an interesting showdown. I don't think I can recall a shutdown battle where actually shutting the government down so that it couldn't function was the objective rather than a tool for coercion. Crazy.



     
    So yet again, these "budget hawk" Republicans aren't actually trying to cut spending across the board. They're always happy to increase funding for their agenda, but cry massive cuts are needed to everything else they can get their hands on.

    Here's McCarthy's position today. He also said he wants to just by-pass the Senate and meet with Biden to agree on a deal that funds the border so that "CBP agents don't come back bloody."

    Military construction and VA goes UP 4.8%
    DOD budget goes UP 2.2 percent
    DHS budget goes UP 3.9 percent

    Agriculture (incl. food for poor programs) DOWN 2 percent including pushing estimated 1 million households off of federal food aid

    State (foreign operations bill) DOWN 15 percent
    Education (Title I grant program based on economic need in schools) DOWN by 80 percent
    HUD: housing subsidies DOWN 30 percent, home heating support DOWN 70 percent



    Republicans also want huge increases to border agents and jails, rather than the functions of government that affect most of us, particularly the needy.
     
    Republicans also want huge increases to border agents and jails, rather than the functions of government that affect most of us, particularly the needy.
    The truly nefarious part is that they want all this money for "border" security and they have NO plans on how to use it nor do they really want to fix the border. They NEED the southern border to be a source of contention in order to maintain fear amongst their voters.

    If they really wanted to address the real problems with our southern border, they would be looking to the root cause of the problem and that is the instability of the South America countries. Working together with those countries to resolve their issues will benefit everyone. Too bad no one is interested in doing that.
     
    The truly nefarious part is that they want all this money for "border" security and they have NO plans on how to use it nor do they really want to fix the border. They NEED the southern border to be a source of contention in order to maintain fear amongst their voters.

    If they really wanted to address the real problems with our southern border, they would be looking to the root cause of the problem and that is the instability of the South America countries. Working together with those countries to resolve their issues will benefit everyone. Too bad no one is interested in doing that.
    The state of South American countries is the root, but there is supply and demand. The countries are the supply, but the businesses that hire illegals provide the demand.

    It’s like the war on drugs that only focuses on enforcement, rather than the supply (keeping it scarce and appealing to criminals) and demand (by treatment to reduce it).
     
    The state of South American countries is the root, but there is supply and demand. The countries are the supply, but the businesses that hire illegals provide the demand.

    It’s like the war on drugs that only focuses on enforcement, rather than the supply (keeping it scarce and appealing to criminals) and demand (by treatment to reduce it).
    True, but addressing the issues that are making so many flee those countries would mitigate migration from those countries.
     
    House has moved a CR to debate - but it does not appear McCarthy has the votes to pass it.

    And there's no way Democrats will support it:

    "The House GOP’s stopgap bill, which leaders released Friday morning, would extend funding until Oct. 31 while imposing across-the-board cuts of roughly 30 percent, with exceptions for national defense, the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Department of Homeland Security and funding for disaster relief. It also includes a large part of the conference’s marquee border bill, H.R. 2, which would boost wall construction, the hiring of border agents and restrict access to asylum, among other provisions."

     
    Is the Senate bill “clean”? I heard that it was. If McCarthy were smart or had any moral courage at all he would pass the Senate version and marginalize the MAGA idiots.
     

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