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[Farb]

In another thread, it was brought to my attention that we am not allowed to use certain centuries old definitions because they have been 'updated'. That discussion was about the definition of 'racism'. I asked who controls the 'words' and who exactly gets to update the meaning of those commonly used words.

I saw this yesterday and thought this would be a discussion to attempt to have.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-terms-like-birthing-parents-human-milk.html

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-replace-women-birthing-people-033500864.html

IMO this is a move to be 'inclusive' to trans people at the sake of women (we are discussing birthing humans after all).

The recent call to change the word for a person who comes into a country illegally from Alien to undocumented. Why? What possible purpose does it serve?

Even 'white supremacy' doesn't mean 'white supremacy'.

I am sure we are all somewhat familiar with Orwell and 1984. So i thought this would be a good place to post and discuss the language that we are seeing right in front of us. If we can't even share a language with common definitions, how do we expect to share a government?

 

[MT15]

AOC isn’t a Socialist either. We need to clean up the casual way we throw these words around.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

And for a leftist Ché Guevara is a NAZI. It is all about perspective.

I always suspected this woman was a NAZI.

I DON"T AGREE WITH SOMEONES POLITICAL IDEALS... THEY MUST BE A NAZI!!!!

Unless you can give me some specific examples, you are just another one of those I just mentioned above.
I have no doubt you'll post some crazy links to some bloggers or third rate news site...
idiocracy at its best...

 

[Paul]

Oh, boy. Why do you do this to yourself?

For starters, why don't you go learn a bit about Guevara, then come back in shame to remove your post?

You fail to see the irony. Ché was a communist,

 

[Paul]

I DON"T AGREE WITH SOMEONES POLITICAL IDEALS... THEY MUST BE A NAZI!!!!

Unless you can give me some specific examples, you are just another one of those I just mentioned above.
I have no doubt you'll post some crazy links to some bloggers or third rate news site...
idiocracy at its best...

Guys, all I am saying is that both sides demonize the other side.

 

[brandon]

Guys, all I am saying is that both sides demonize the other side.

Both sides!

 

[Paul]

AOC isn’t a Socialist either. We need to clean up the casual way we throw these words around.

AOC is into social justice and she is a very attractive lady. No need to demonize her.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

You fail to see the irony. Ché was a communist,

No, you said he was a NAZI. there is a huge difference in the 2. Don't try to change what you said. (which you also said you suspected AOC was a Nazi)I'm still waiting on the specific example.

 

[Paul]

No, you said he was a NAZI. there is a huge difference in the 2. Don't try to change what you said. (which you also said you suspected AOC was a Nazi)I'm still waiting on the specific example.

Guys, do you understand sarcasm? Or perhaps you guys understand sarcasm and are playing naive to make a point. The latter is worse than the former. The NAZI comment is a joke because she doubled up the white supremacy sign.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Guys, do you understand sarcasm? Or perhaps you guys understand sarcasm and are playing naive to make a point. The latter is worse than the former. The NAZI comment is a joke because she doubled up the white supremacy sign.

joke/sarcasm.. I guess its all about "perspective" as you said..lol
good crawfishing tho...

 

[RobF]

Guys, do you understand sarcasm? Or perhaps you guys understand sarcasm and are playing naive to make a point. The latter is worse than the former. The NAZI comment is a joke because she doubled up the white supremacy sign.

When you attempt sarcasm and jokes, and they fall horribly flat, the problem is rarely with the audience.

That 'joke' is like being told that '88' is used by white supremacists and going, "Ooooh, I didn't know PIANOS were NAZIS!"

 

[SystemShock]

You fail to see the irony. Ché was a communist,

Someone please take the shovel off his hands.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

well, none of this would be a problem if POC would just quit talking about race......lol

 

[Saintamaniac]

well, none of this would be a problem if POC would just quit talking about race......lol

It all comes back to this because @Paul will never outright admit he was wrong even though his wrong is completely laid bare for everyone to see. [Admin Edit Insulting. Keep it civil]

Oh, and I had to add that both sides do it.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Someone please take the shovel off his hands.

You'll have to pry it from his cold dead hands. This man is headed for the other side of the world with his digging.

 

[DaveXA]

AOC isn’t a Socialist either. We need to clean up the casual way we throw these words around.

Actually, I would disagree there. I do think a number of her positions are closer to socialism than traditional liberalism. That's not all bad though. Just a different approach. Some of her positions are pretty sensible, but others are frankly unrealistic and unworkable. But that's just my opinion from where I sit.

 

[MT15]

So, she is a social democrat, not a Socialist. This is a cynical ploy by Republicans to call all democrats in the US Socialists when none of them are.

Socialists do not believe in private ownership of companies. That’s the defining characteristic.

I do not believe any democrats have called for seizing the means of production, they are not Socialists.

I think words matter, and people need to push back against this cynical, deliberate smear by republicans.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Is it ironic that in a thread about language, that the ones complaining about the changes, are ok with changing the definitions of words like socialism to meet their political perspective.. lol

 

[Farb]

Do we have to prove it when we call someone is a Nazi now? I am old enough to remember we had that word flung around like a mardi gras beads for 4 years. There was no proof, at all mind you, just media talking heads screaming in their bubble.

But now we are required to show proof of those claims when it is against Dems in power? LOL. It is good to be king