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[Farb]

In another thread, it was brought to my attention that we am not allowed to use certain centuries old definitions because they have been 'updated'. That discussion was about the definition of 'racism'. I asked who controls the 'words' and who exactly gets to update the meaning of those commonly used words.

I saw this yesterday and thought this would be a discussion to attempt to have.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-terms-like-birthing-parents-human-milk.html

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-replace-women-birthing-people-033500864.html

IMO this is a move to be 'inclusive' to trans people at the sake of women (we are discussing birthing humans after all).

The recent call to change the word for a person who comes into a country illegally from Alien to undocumented. Why? What possible purpose does it serve?

Even 'white supremacy' doesn't mean 'white supremacy'.

I am sure we are all somewhat familiar with Orwell and 1984. So i thought this would be a good place to post and discuss the language that we are seeing right in front of us. If we can't even share a language with common definitions, how do we expect to share a government?

 

[Farb]

There is 6 pages you look at it to help you out on this.

 

[samiam5211]

There is 6 pages you look at it to help you out on this.

are there?

Is there a post in here where you described the connection to the philosophy of Karl Marx to evolving language? Maybe i missed it.

Or are you using the term "Marxism" to refer to something other than the philosophy of Karl Marx?

 

[Farb]

are there?

Is there a post in here where you described the connection to the philosophy of Karl Marx to evolving language? Maybe i missed it.

Or are you using the term "Marxism" to refer to something other than the philosophy of Karl Marx?

Maybe you can report back to us on what you find?

 

[MT15]

Actually, I think the person leveling the accusations should provide the proof. That seems fair.

 

[JRad]

Actually, I think the person leveling the accusations should provide the proof. That seems fair.

Proof, actual proof*

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Thats usually how conservatives roll. if it doesn't fit their opinions, it must be Socialism, Marxism, communism or HITLER!

 

[Farb]

Actually, I think the person leveling the accusations should provide the proof. That seems fair.

Unless the person is innocent, then it is on them to prove they are innocent.

 

[Farb]

HITLER!

I am sorry, but have you on this board in the last 4 years? LOL

 

[dtc]

Conservatives?

I mean the whole idea of the seven words you can’t say in TV was almost exclusively conservatives. Banned books are almost always banned by conservatives. The Red Scare was definitely conservative (and is still evidenced by the constant scaremongering of calling things communist, Marxist, socialist, shouting out to Marx, Lenin, communist China, etc). Movie ratings mostly conservative. The idea of banning teaching CRT or unvarnished history is fully conservative. Laws being passed to limit protestors or protesting, and giving immunity to people who harm protestors is conservative. Laws trying to force private businesses to publish content they find harmful. I could go on and on…

Don't forget all those other invasions of personal rights and freedoms like MADD and drunk driving laws, drinking ages, marijuana prohibition, mandatory minumum sentences for rock vs powder cocaine, liquor sales hours and even speed limits.

The party who opposes tobacco age increases is the same party that restricts weed. And, of course, the same party that fights against restrictions on pollution also opposes food labeling while calling ketchup a vegetable.

 

[samiam5211]

Unless the person is innocent, then it is on them to prove they are innocent.

Innocent? you started a thread about language, saying...

In another thread, it was brought to my attention that we am not allowed to use certain centuries old definitions because they have been 'updated'. That discussion was about the definition of 'racism'. I asked who controls the 'words' and who exactly gets to update the meaning of those commonly used words.

Then you throw around the word Marxism without any real connection to the definition of the word.

I have a word for you...

hypocrisy - the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I am sorry, but have you on this board in the last 4 years? LOL

Do i need to link the republicans who are comparing vaccines to the holocaust?
(EDIT: examples posted)

 

[Farb]

Do i need to link the republicans who are comparing vaccines to the holocaust?
(EDIT: examples posted)

Awesome, thanks. Yes, the republicans have their fair share of the brainwashed too. That still doesn't quell the scream of Trump=Hitler for the last 4 years does it?

 

[Farb]

Innocent? you started a thread about language, saying...


Then you throw around the word Marxism without any real connection to the definition of the word.

I have a word for you...

hypocrisy - the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles.

Please then, enlighten me, post the definition of Marxism and link the communist manifesto

 

[samiam5211]

Please then, enlighten me, post the definition of Marxism and link the communist manifesto

I'm not trying to enlighten you. You started this thread to get on your language high horse and enlighten us all.

Clearly I do not understand the meaning of Marxism because you are using it in a way I do not understand, and you must be the arbiter of language since you started this thread.

I didn't even realize that the Communist manifesto was the bible of marxism. I assumed it was Das Kapital.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Awesome, thanks. Yes, the republicans have their fair share of the brainwashed too. That still doesn't quell the scream of Trump=Hitler for the last 4 years does it?

yes, and those were idiots too, just like the ones who said the same about Obama. And just like you calling democrats Marxist, socialists, etc.. Just because you say it, doesn't make it that way. They have asked you to draw the line between Marxism and the changing of language in this country and you can't/won't..

 

[Farb]

yes, and those were idiots too, just like the ones who said the same about Obama. And just like you calling democrats Marxist, socialists, etc.. Just because you say it, doesn't make it that way. They have asked you to draw the line between Marxism and the changing of language in this country and you can't/won't..

I don't think I have called all democrats Marxist. The radical left that has taken over the large part of the democratic party are marxist, I think that is pretty obvious, so I am not following you on this. Are you saying:
1. The radical left is not built on Marxist/socialist ideology?
2. The radial left has not taken over the democratic party?

 

[samiam5211]

I don't think I have called all democrats Marxist. The radical left that has taken over the large part of the democratic party are marxist, I think that is pretty obvious, so I am not following you on this. Are you saying:
1. The radical left is not built on Marxist/socialist ideology?
2. The radial left has not taken over the democratic party?

Marxism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I don't think I have called all democrats Marxist. The radical left that has taken over the large part of the democratic party are marxist, I think that is pretty obvious, so I am not following you on this. Are you saying:
1. The radical left is not built on Marxist/socialist ideology?
2. The radial left has not taken over the democratic party?

It must only be obvious to you. Again, show me real proof that majority of democratic party has Marxists ideology. A big part of Marxism is revolution. You and i both know more Republicans are interested in revolution right now than anyone. Also, many republicans enjoy and are fine with a lot of socialists ideals, They vote for them ad take advantage of them all the time.