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[Farb]

In another thread, it was brought to my attention that we am not allowed to use certain centuries old definitions because they have been 'updated'. That discussion was about the definition of 'racism'. I asked who controls the 'words' and who exactly gets to update the meaning of those commonly used words.

I saw this yesterday and thought this would be a discussion to attempt to have.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-terms-like-birthing-parents-human-milk.html

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-replace-women-birthing-people-033500864.html

IMO this is a move to be 'inclusive' to trans people at the sake of women (we are discussing birthing humans after all).

The recent call to change the word for a person who comes into a country illegally from Alien to undocumented. Why? What possible purpose does it serve?

Even 'white supremacy' doesn't mean 'white supremacy'.

I am sure we are all somewhat familiar with Orwell and 1984. So i thought this would be a good place to post and discuss the language that we are seeing right in front of us. If we can't even share a language with common definitions, how do we expect to share a government?

 

[Nebaghead]

One is plural, one is singular. Are we allowing incorrect grammar because some soft person get their self entitled sense of being tarnished. No one cares, or actually no one should care. That may actually be more of the problem.

My wife is an English teacher and has explained this in detail to me. Since there is no singular pronoun in the English language that they and them are now acceptable in this use. This is coming from Oxford, Webster and other sources far more knowledgeable on the English language than anyone on this board.

 

[MT15]

I don't think they were shooting for the 14th century use of the word, at least not what I got from the proposal.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer

The meaning of "anti-vaxxer' just change to anyone who opposed state mandated injections. Why would laws mandating vaccines be included? I have no problem with vaccines. I have a problem with this covid vaccine but now I get to be labled as an anti-vaxxer because I have questions about a vaccines that was created faster than anyone before? A couple of months ago they told me I don't need it and should not get it since I had the virus in the wild.

The radical left loves to to label and group people. Control the words and language, control the information.

So, according to your link, that definition is the same since 2009. It didn’t “just change” as far as I can tell.

The only message I heard about people who actually had the virus was that in the beginning they should wait before being vaccinated so that people at higher risk could get vaccinated first. Ever since the supply was pumped up I have heard steady messaging that the vaccines convey a better immunity to the variants than the natural antibodies derived from an infection.

This type of vaccine was actually created years ago for another virus, so the tech isn’t new. That virus happened to die out and not lead to a global pandemic so that vaccine was never used, and didn’t really get out of the gate at all. The science is sound, people who tell you otherwise are just pandering to fears for clicks or views.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

My wife is an English teacher and has explained this in detail to me. Since there is no singular pronoun in the English language that they and them are now acceptable in this use. This is coming from Oxford, Webster and other sources far more knowledgeable on the English language than anyone on this board.

but it's not how it used to be, and apparently words aren't ever allowed to change.....

 

[Farb]

https://nypost.com/2021/06/24/brandeis-warns-students-not-to-say-picnic-rule-of-thumb/

Students and faculty at Brandeis University are being urged to stop using words and phrases like “picnic,” “trigger warning” and even “rule of thumb,” because of what a campus counseling service calls their links to violence and power to “reinforce systems of oppression.”

A compendium of “potentially oppressive language” posted on the school’s website by its Prevention, Advocacy and Resource Center also lists loads of examples of “gender exclusive,” “ableist,” and “culturally appropriative” terminology that “can get in the way of meaningful dialogue.”

Meaningful dialogue is good as long as everyone uses the words and definitions we say you can use? Sounds like a page out of the Marxist playbook.

 

[samiam5211]

https://nypost.com/2021/06/24/brandeis-warns-students-not-to-say-picnic-rule-of-thumb/

Students and faculty at Brandeis University are being urged to stop using words and phrases like “picnic,” “trigger warning” and even “rule of thumb,” because of what a campus counseling service calls their links to violence and power to “reinforce systems of oppression.”

A compendium of “potentially oppressive language” posted on the school’s website by its Prevention, Advocacy and Resource Center also lists loads of examples of “gender exclusive,” “ableist,” and “culturally appropriative” terminology that “can get in the way of meaningful dialogue.”

Meaningful dialogue is good as long as everyone uses the words and definitions we say you can use? Sounds like a page out of the Marxist playbook.

Did Karl Marx write about banning words?

 

[Nebaghead]

Did Karl Marx write about banning words?

Marxist playbook is a catch all for anything that scares right wing fanatics.

 

[Farb]

Are we now saying that the radical left is not a Marxist movement fundamentally? It sounds like that is what you are trying to say

 

[CoolBrees]

The Marxist playbook?

He was the author of the Greatest Show on Turf, right?

Mike Marx?

What would Drew’s Marxist playbook look like? 180!! 180! KILL!! COMRADE KILL!!!

No seriously, we keep the Marxist playbook right next to the Gay Agenda and the Climate Change disinformation.

 

[dtc]

https://nypost.com/2021/06/24/brandeis-warns-students-not-to-say-picnic-rule-of-thumb/

Students and faculty at Brandeis University are being urged to stop using words and phrases like “picnic,” “trigger warning” and even “rule of thumb,” because of what a campus counseling service calls their links to violence and power to “reinforce systems of oppression.”

A compendium of “potentially oppressive language” posted on the school’s website by its Prevention, Advocacy and Resource Center also lists loads of examples of “gender exclusive,” “ableist,” and “culturally appropriative” terminology that “can get in the way of meaningful dialogue.”

Meaningful dialogue is good as long as everyone uses the words and definitions we say you can use? Sounds like a page out of the Marxist playbook.

Does this bother you more or less than the State of Florida requiring educators and others to file with the state their political affiliation? How about the state requiring courses to be taught which give credence to outlandish political views in the name of inclusion?

 

[brandon]

Are we now saying that the radical left is not a Marxist movement fundamentally? It sounds like that is what you are trying to say

Yes.

 

[samiam5211]

Are we now saying that the radical left is not a Marxist movement fundamentally? It sounds like that is what you are trying to say

We are saying that you don’t have any idea what you are talking about.

Political correctness and word choice has absolutely nothing to do with Karl Marx.

You need to educate yourself on your boogeymen.

 

[Farb]

We are saying that you don’t have any idea what you are talking about.

Political correctness and word choice has absolutely nothing to do with Karl Marx.

You need to educate yourself on your boogeymen.

Is communisms and socialism the application of the theory of Marxism? It is.

You know who was really into limiting 'word choice' and escalating political adherence to sustain power over the citizens?

 

[samiam5211]

Is communisms and socialism the application of the theory of Marxism? It is.

You know who was really into limiting 'word choice' and escalating political adherence to sustain power over the citizens?

Do you believe that the answer is Karl Marx?

 

[Farb]

Do you believe that the answer is Karl Marx?

Not just Marx, but you can pick any leader of any failed socialist utopia that is now in the trash bin of history, as they all end up

 

[samiam5211]

Not just Marx, but you can pick any leader of any failed socialist utopia that is now in the trash bin of history, as they all end up

You’re so concerned about language, but call all sorts of things Marxism that are not.

 

[V Chip]

You know who was really into limiting 'word choice' and escalating political adherence to sustain power over the citizens?

Conservatives?

I mean the whole idea of the seven words you can’t say in TV was almost exclusively conservatives. Banned books are almost always banned by conservatives. The Red Scare was definitely conservative (and is still evidenced by the constant scaremongering of calling things communist, Marxist, socialist, shouting out to Marx, Lenin, communist China, etc). Movie ratings mostly conservative. The idea of banning teaching CRT or unvarnished history is fully conservative. Laws being passed to limit protestors or protesting, and giving immunity to people who harm protestors is conservative. Laws trying to force private businesses to publish content they find harmful. I could go on and on…

 

[Farb]

You’re so concerned about language, but call all sorts of things Marxism that are not.

Conservatives?

I mean the whole idea of the seven words you can’t say in TV was almost exclusively conservatives. Banned books are almost always banned by conservatives. The Red Scare was definitely conservative (and is still evidenced by the constant scaremongering of calling things communist, Marxist, socialist, shouting out to Marx, Lenin, communist China, etc). Movie ratings mostly conservative. The idea of banning teaching CRT or unvarnished history is fully conservative. Laws being passed to limit protestors or protesting, and giving immunity to people who harm protestors is conservative. Laws trying to force private businesses to publish content they find harmful. I could go on and on…

Are they not Marxist at their base? They are. I am not entirely sure you know what Marxism is.

Yes, Conservatives are diluting the language. We can't even give a definition of women any longer. All those conservatives changing meaning of words for political debate....we have to deal in the same reality if this is ever going to work.

 

[samiam5211]

Are they not Marxist at their base? They are. I am not entirely sure you know what Marxism is.

Yes, Conservatives are diluting the language. We can't even give a definition of women any longer. All those conservatives changing meaning of words for political debate....we have to deal in the same reality if this is ever going to work.

Could you explain how evolving language is connected to Marxism.

You are the one making the connection to the philosophy of Marx.

Please explain it for us.