Joe Biden Accused of Sexual Assualt (1 Viewer)

[Beach Friends]

The video is NSFW due to language and the graphic description of Joe Biden's alleged conduct.

 

[Beach Friends]

Can you provide examples of what "the left" lectures about while actually doing on a larger scale?

Engaging in "whataboutisms" comes to mind pretty easily.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

What ever the left is yelling/lecturing you about doing, they are in fact, the ones actually doing it on a much larger scale. imo

Engaging in "whataboutisms" comes to mind pretty easily.

Do you have examples of this, and are you saying that "the right" does not also engage in the practice?

 

[Farb]

Racist comes to mind:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-governor-northam-yearbook-report/3765466002/

Foreign Government access:
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/08/01/details-chinese-spy-dianne-feinstein-san-francisco/

Sexual assault, due process
https://www.theatlantic.com/educati...rtable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/

Do you think the right does this as well, do you also think the left does not do this?

 

[Dadsdream]

Faint whispers of "...draft Cuomo . . . draft Cuomo . . . draft Cuomo . . . " are being heard across the Democratic spetrum.

 

[Beach Friends]

Do you have examples of this, and are you saying that "the right" does not also engage in the practice?

You can start with the first response to this thread and just continue reading.

I am not saying the right doesn't do it also, just that the left is old faithful when it comes to the practice. So predictable, that if you had to do an over and under on a thread like this no one would have picked anything other than it would appear by the very first post.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

That may be true as I think there are reasons for that.

Conservatives tend to value due process and the rule of law more. Leftists tend to be more empathetic.

There is perceived "virtue" among leftists for taking the side of "victims," even if the evidence doesn't warrant taking that position.

Here, I think by leftist standards there is more than enough evidence to draw a conclusion. But, in this instance it would come at a cost so they will pass.

Except that isn't true as HeathenSaint points out.

Does "Lock Her Up!" ring any bells?

Or virtue signaling when it comes to kneeling for the national anthem, or wearing flag pins, or "Merry Christmas", or whatever.

There are certainly enough alarm bells to make people wary of voting for Biden though. At least enough to want a more thorough investigation of Reade's claims.

If I were Biden and I were innocent, I'd prefer an honest discussion about what happened.

 

[Dadsdream]

If Joe were put through half the scrutiny that Kavanugh was, he'd be joining Harvey Weinstein.

 

[wardorican]

It's been interesting to watch the left point to the right as the hypocrites in the thread. It's as though the left on this board failed to notice that the OP, who I know pretty well, never expressed an opinion on whether the accuser's claim is true.

The ridiculous mantra of "believe all women" belongs to the left - but apparently the left can see how ridiculous that assumption is when the target is one of their own.

I don't know if we will ever know whether the allegations are true. Probably not. And there are reasons to question the story, such as the alleged victim's inconsistent versions of what happened (or at the least incomplete prior versions), and her allegiance to Sanders, a political rival of the accused.

Having said that, the same media outlets who would take off running with a story like this against a conservative have been silent. Unlike Fox, those outlets have actually interviewed Biden.

That was your mistake. You didn't express an opinion. So, what was the point of this entire thread? It wasn't to shine a light into a situation and raise concern about it, or question the validity of it, etc. You picked a borderline crackpot guy with a stupid show, that you seem to like (not the first time you've tried to ram him down our throats), to just stir the pot.

Well, it's been stirred.

So, what point did you want to make? What reaction were you hoping for?

I personally don't think there is much validity to the claims, or else other media outlets would jump on this. Forget Fox News, which is obvious, but you don't think a bunch of media types who are big Bernie Sanders supporters wouldn't jump on this? Clearly something is missing from the story, or there is a lack of credibility.

 

[Beach Friends]

That was your mistake. You didn't express an opinion. So, what was the point of this entire thread? It wasn't to shine a light into a situation and raise concern about it, or question the validity of it, etc. You picked a borderline crackpot guy with a stupid show, that you seem to like (not the first time you've tried to ram him down our throats), to just stir the pot.

Well, it's been stirred.

So, what point did you want to make? What reaction were you hoping for?

I personally don't think there is much validity to the claims, or else other media outlets would jump on this. Forget Fox News, which is obvious, but you don't think a bunch of media types who are big Bernie Sanders supporters wouldn't jump on this? Clearly something is missing from the story, or there is a lack of credibility.

Save the sermons Ward. I've expressed my opinion on the subject at some length in this thread.

Other outlets have picked up the story since "crackpots" like Dore have not let the story die. Some of them have been cited in this thread. So, get over it. Or not, makes no difference to me.

 

[Farb]

That was your mistake. You didn't express an opinion. So, what was the point of this entire thread? It wasn't to shine a light into a situation and raise concern about it, or question the validity of it, etc. You picked a borderline crackpot guy with a stupid show, that you seem to like (not the first time you've tried to ram him down our throats), to just stir the pot.

Well, it's been stirred.

So, what point did you want to make? What reaction were you hoping for?

I personally don't think there is much validity to the claims, or else other media outlets would jump on this. Forget Fox News, which is obvious, but you don't think a bunch of media types who are big Bernie Sanders supporters wouldn't jump on this? Clearly something is missing from the story, or there is a lack of credibility.

What is the big deal of starting a thread that is obvious political on a political board? Is there someone we should check with on this?
You started a thread on McCusker, granted no one replied because it was also covered in the Stone, DoJ and Impeachment thread.
There are a lot of stupid threads on this board that I don't reply on because they are dumb. You should try it too. If you don't care, don't make a post.
Seeing how this is page 6, I think your statement proves hollow.

 

[NoPartyMike]

or else other media outlets would jump on this.

Because Trump is the Devil, he's Hitler, he's single handedly destroying the Earth, he's killing your grandparents with Covid. He must be replaced at all costs, oddly with an other side of the same coin candidate. Have you not been paying attention to those outlets?

Unfortunately news isn't about reporting accurately anymore, it's about pushing agendas and being sensational.

 

[Farb]

^ He isn't wrong.

 

[wardorican]

What is the big deal of starting a thread that is obvious political on a political board? Is there someone we should check with on this?
You started a thread on McCusker, granted no one replied because it was also covered in the Stone, DoJ and Impeachment thread.
There are a lot of stupid threads on this board that I don't reply on because they are dumb. You should try it too. If you don't care, don't make a post.
Seeing how this is page 6, I think your statement proves hollow.

Simply pointing out why he didn't get a good discussion that he seemed to want (or was it just to stir the pot?). Pointed out why the thread started out the way it did. Beach can argue that he's made his point, but my commentary that if he made his point up front, I'm sure the first page or two of this thread would be very different. It wasn't a sermon, it was an analysis.

Also, I think you're missing the point about "starting a thread". I mean, c'mong Farb, you're a smart guy and that's a pretty weak argument you're making. "what's the big deal of starting a thread that is obvious political on a political board?" You think that's my point? No, it's just that when you (the general you) don't offer an opinion, or lead a topic, then cry that people are "replying in a predictable fashion" it's very hollow.

I think this could have been an interesting topic, but the lack of legs (maybe due to Coronavirus, or validity??) has me skeptical.

Regarding the "where to check" part of your point. I'd just look here. I bolded a sentence in the third paragraph.. not sure if it fits, but it "feels like" the point about naked links / baiting.

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[wardorican]

Because Trump is the Devil, he's Hitler, he's single handedly destroying the Earth, he's killing your grandparents with Covid. He must be replaced at all costs, oddly with an other side of the same coin candidate. Have you not been paying attention to those outlets?

Unfortunately news isn't about reporting accurately anymore, it's about pushing agendas and being sensational.

Exactly why I think if this had some validity, many liberal media outlets would push this story. I'm a bit behind, so if any are really pushing this I'd be open to changing my stance. Too many Bernie Supporters in the media would eat this up to have it not have traction.

 

[wardorican]

@Farb I forgot one thing. Which thread of mine were you complaining about? I have started quite a few on here and usually try to lead with an opinion or seek opinions of others, but I generally try to lead the conversation. If I failed on one, I'd like to see which it was. I haven't' been on here in a while.

 

[Farb]

Wasn't complaining, like I said, I don't care who starts a thread or about what. I also skip over the threads that I think are stupid.
I was pointing out that admonishing some one for starting a thread seems a bit petty in this case. If that was not your intention, sorry, that is the way I took it.
Its not like this is a new issue on message boards. Lots of people don't like threads being started because they don't agree with them, see them as disingenuous, or whatever reason.
It just seemed to me that you were more interested in where the OP got his information to begin this thread. It turns out the 'crackpot' guy (I can honestly say, I don't know who that guy is) reporting the story has grown legs in the last couple of days.
I also don't think drawing attention to difference between media coverage between a Democrat and a Republican being accused, no matter how completely unsubstantiated the allegations are, is not a bad thing on a political discussion board giving the me too movement the craziness of the Kavanaugh trial thingy.
I might have come off a bit snarky on my reply after I re read it and i am sorry about that. Didn't mean to be a dick as I don't have a problem with you personally at all as a poster, I usually enjoy your posts because they are reasonable, honest and well thought out.

 

[Beach Friends]

Exactly why I think if this had some validity, many liberal media outlets would push this story. I'm a bit behind, so if any are really pushing this I'd be open to changing my stance. Too many Bernie Supporters in the media would eat this up to have it not have traction.

The Hill's Rising has covered it several times. Huffington Post had a story questioning why Biden has been interviewed by CNN, NBC and ABC without so much as a single question.

In this thread you will find links to the Huffington Post story as well as a Fox story.

In addition, the Dore piece was not the original source of the story. The original story, as well as a 5 minute interview a seperate journalist had with the accuser were covered by the Dore piece.

 

[SaintForLife]

Simply pointing out why he didn't get a good discussion that he seemed to want (or was it just to stir the pot?). Pointed out why the thread started out the way it did. Beach can argue that he's made his point, but my commentary that if he made his point up front, I'm sure the first page or two of this thread would be very different. It wasn't a sermon, it was an analysis.

Also, I think you're missing the point about "starting a thread". I mean, c'mong Farb, you're a smart guy and that's a pretty weak argument you're making. "what's the big deal of starting a thread that is obvious political on a political board?" You think that's my point? No, it's just that when you (the general you) don't offer an opinion, or lead a topic, then cry that people are "replying in a predictable fashion" it's very hollow.

I think this could have been an interesting topic, but the lack of legs (maybe due to Coronavirus, or validity??) has me skeptical.

Regarding the "where to check" part of your point. I'd just look here. I bolded a sentence in the third paragraph.. not sure if it fits, but it "feels like" the point about naked links / baiting.

https://madaboutpolitics.com/Community_Discussion_Board__Posting_Rules_Guidelines.html

I see you are back to your selective criticism of "naked links" that you were famous for on the old board. Have you noticed 98% of Optimus Prime's posts have no comment at all? Plenty of other people on the left post naked links, but I've never once see you criticize their posts.

I don't buy yours and other's arguments that if he would have used another source or stated his opinion that it would have promoted a better discussion. That's just your way of trying to avoid a real discussion while avoiding criticizing a Democrat for the same thing that the left criticize Trump for.