Joe Biden Accused of Sexual Assualt (2 Viewers)

[Beach Friends]

The video is NSFW due to language and the graphic description of Joe Biden's alleged conduct.

 

[JimEverett]

I find it humorous of the faux moral outrage by people who have a kavanaugh avatar, or who also happen to turn a blind eye to trumps' 2-ish dozen women who accused him of sexual assault and rape. Still waiting on the moral outrage about all that from trump supporters.

I am confused on your point. Is it that outrage against a potential Supreme Court nominee should be higher than that for the presumptive Democratic nominee? Or that 1 accusation of sexual assault or rape against a major-party nominee is basically okay, but 12-ish is when its time to assume guilt?

 

[samiam5211]

Is there any need to pretend that rational discussion is possible with someone who would make such a sick and utterly stupid statement?

I hope you just were not thinking about what you wrote because that's disgusting.

Nope.

I’d vote for R Kelly over Donald Trump.

 

[Humperdoo]

We all came from the same board and I remember your posts taking the opposite posture in the Kavanaugh threads. Calling that accuser coming forward so long after the event disqualifying, citing your wife to back you up, all without any of the “concern” you exhibit now.

So can you point me to some posts where my impression is wrong? Where you took the lead on being critical of Trump allegations or other Republicans?

As there is a lot of so called “concern” from posters I cant seem to find a record of sharing that concern when the shoe was on the other foot.

Ahhh. Admittedly I don’t remember that but I believe you. As I’ve stated several times, *if true it’s terrible no matter what political or social views the perpetrator has imo. And I believe that all claims need to be vetted so as not to wrongfully convict someone, even tho all it takes is the accusation usually to tarnish one in the public eye.
And I do believe that it needs to be especially well vetted when the accusation is aged.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I am confused on your point. Is it that outrage against a potential Supreme Court nominee should be higher than that for the presumptive Democratic nominee? Or that 1 accusation of sexual assault or rape against a major-party nominee is basically okay, but 12-ish is when its time to assume guilt?

Its not that hard, people that couldn’t demonstrate moral outrage when it was their team don’t have credibility to announce their moral outrage when it conveniently affects the opponent of your team.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Ahhh. Admittedly I don’t remember that but I believe you. As I’ve stated several times, *if true it’s terrible no matter what political or social views the perpetrator has imo. And I believe that all claims need to be vetted so as not to wrongfully convict someone, even tho all it takes is the accusation usually to tarnish one in the public eye.
And I do believe that it needs to be especially well vetted when the accusation is aged.

That’s fine, but your posture is markedly different here.

In the Kavanaugh thread you rather strongly took the side of doubting the victim and labeling those with concern as political opportunists. Claiming the inability to disclose an allegation immediately as disqualifying. Now as the shoe is on the other foot you suddenly have a deep well of concern and don’t want to pass the judgement you were willing to pass toward Kavanaugh and his credible accuser.

I’m sorry, but it does strain credibility when the posture one takes seems to conveniently allign with who that person supports politically. Maybe this is something your arent consciously aware of, but it is basically what you are demonstrating.

 

[Humperdoo]

Its not that hard, people that couldn’t demonstrate moral outrage when it was their team don’t have credibility to announce their moral outrage when it conveniently affects the opponent of your team.

I do not view things through the team lens. Truly.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I do not view things through the team lens. Truly.

Then how do you explain your markedly different posture?

I edited my post, but I went on to say its possible this is unconscious bias, but it appears to be bias nonetheless.

In that conversation you cited your wife as the backbone for why you could not trust the Kavanaugh accuser because supposedly she didnt come forward with her full allegation soon enough after the event. Today you seem to not take that posture, why?

I mean I think based on the evidence I think Biden probably did this shirt, and that either way the allegation is credible enough to be disqualifying, but that is because I am trying my best to use the same judgement I did for Kavanaugh and others here, despite the party preferences I have. But when another person said a year ago that under pretty similar circumstances the victims late allegation is disqualifying, but now is saying we should spend time to seriously look into it because it’s credible, that’s tough to reconcile, no?

 

[Humperdoo]

Then how do you explain your markedly different posture?

I edited my post, but I went on to say its possible this is unconscious bias, but it appears to be bias nonetheless.

In that conversation you cited your wife as the backbone for why you could not trust the Kavanaugh accuser because supposedly she didnt come forward with her full allegation soon enough after the event. Today you seem to not take that posture, why?

I mean I think based on the evidence I think Biden probably did this shirt, and that either way the allegation is credible enough to be disqualifying, but that is because I am trying my best to use the same judgement I did for Kavanaugh and others here, despite the party preferences I have. But when another person said a year ago that under pretty similar circumstances the victims late allegation is disqualifying, but now is saying we should spend time to seriously look into it because it’s credible, that’s tough to reconcile, no?

Not being a smart arse at all, I really may not be conveying my thoughts well. I am not meaning to assert that I believe that Joe is guilty. All should be vetted properly, including Kavanaugh.
And I do remember those remarks, and asking my then wife her opinion. I’m not a fan of waiting years to come forward no matter whom it is.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Not being a smart arse at all, I really may not be conveying my thoughts well. I am not meaning to assert that I believe that Joe is guilty. All should be vetted properly, including Kavanaugh.
And I do remember those remarks, and asking my then wife her opinion. I’m not a fan of waiting years to come forward no matter whom it is.

Right, but again, when pressed on the credibility of Kavanaugh’s accuser you took a solid stance that she was not credible, per your wife questioning the timing, today that posture has shifted almost 180 despite a pretty identical situation.

Which is similar to a number of posters in here.

So it does sort of leave you without much credibility in these matters. As it does appear that your judgement and approach shifts based on political affiliation, hence me asking for some examples you could demonstrate where maybe you did in fact take a similar level of interest and posture when it was a Republican being accused. Where maybe that perception of mine is wrong?

 

[Humperdoo]

Right, but again, when pressed on the credibility of Kavanaugh’s accuser you took a solid stance that she was not credible, per your wife questioning the timing, today that posture has shifted almost 180 despite a pretty identical situation.

Which is similar to a number of posters in here.

So it does sort of leave you without much credibility in these matters. As it does appear that your judgement and approach shifts based on political affiliation, hence me asking for some examples you could demonstrate where maybe you did in fact take a similar level of interest and posture when it was a Republican being accused. Where maybe that perception of mine is wrong?

I concede that and actually wish I could ask her opinion on Biden and these allegations. Sadly the split wasn’t amicable and I cannot.
Whether right or wrong I trust a woman’s intuition more than mine on matters like this.

I can assure you that my defense of Kavanaugh had zero to do with him being a Republican. I know many here have pigeonholed me as a Republican, and that’s fine, but I am not and never have been. I do not base my beliefs on a party affiliation, never have.

Any old claim of sexual assault should be vetted especially well, as to me it seems to have a higher chance of being untrue.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I concede that and actually wish I could ask her opinion on Biden and these allegations. Sadly the split wasn’t amicable and I cannot.
Whether right or wrong I trust a woman’s intuition more than mine on matters like this.

I can assure you that my defense of Kavanaugh had zero to do with him being a Republican. I know many here have pigeonholed me as a Republican, and that’s fine, but I am not and never have been. I do not base my beliefs on a party affiliation, never have.

Any old claim of sexual assault should be vetted especially well, as to me it seems to have a higher chance of being untrue.

And again, that’s fair, and maybe true, but given the opposite approach the last time it doesn’t provide you much credibility on the matter until you and certain others do actually demonstrate a consistency.

You didn’t seem to demonstrate any outrage at the rush to confirm Kavanaugh or the stonewalling of Republicans toward a full on investigation. you dont seem particularly keen on punishing that party for failing to do so. And while you say you are not Republican, you seem to have had your mind made up to support them/Trump as far back as that period in 2018.

Which hopefully illustrates why many, myself included, lack confidence in the sudden stated convictions this go round of some, and at times lack patience for those convictions that seem to be so inconsistent based on political circumstance.

 

[Humperdoo]

And again, that’s fair, and maybe true, but given the opposite approach the last time it doesn’t provide you much credibility on the matter until you and certain others do actually demonstrate a consistency.

You didn’t seem to demonstrate any outrage at the rush to confirm Kavanaugh or the stonewalling of Republicans toward a full on investigation. you dont seem particularly keen on punishing that party for failing to do so. And while you say you are not Republican, you seem to have had your mind made up to support them/Trump as far back as that period in 2018.

Which hopefully illustrates why many, myself included, lack confidence in the sudden stated convictions this go round of some, and at times lack patience for those convictions that seem to be so inconsistent based on political circumstance.

I understand that. I think my bias stems from my own two eyes constantly seeing (well one eye lol) Joe do what to me appears to be over the line touching and smelling of women and girls.

With Kavanaugh, it is true that my feelings on that had zero to do with his political affiliation. I was and still am largely ignorant of his situation. The few glances I did get it seemed to be a circus type of witch hunt. I fully admit I could be mistaken on that. I just didn’t follow it too closely.

Once my wife gave her opinion that probably did seal it for me, right or wrong. As her opinion would on this one if only I could ask.

And yes, I do plan to vote for Trump in November, but not at all because he’s a Republican.

 

[Beach Friends]

For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts.

 

[zztop]

So, the shrugging off of child molestation doesn't register with you. I don't find that surprising actually.

so where you draw the line is in the hundreds of children in 20 years but a dozen plus women in 20 years is okay? I don't find that surprising actually.

Also you don't know a damn thing about me. It is all reprehensible, knowing several women who were raped and whose lives were ruined forever because of it. You want to call out a person saying that about children yet ignoring trump's behavior? I find it hard to believe your moral outrage is actually legit.

 

[Beach Friends]

so where you draw the line is in the hundreds of children in 20 years but a dozen plus women in 20 years is okay? I don't find that surprising actually.

I know you don't have a problem with that other guy saying he would vote for Biden if Biden molested children on a daily basis. That didn't bother you one little bit.

That really is all I need to know.

 

[zztop]

I know you don't have a problem with that other guy saying he would vote for Biden if Biden molested children on a daily basis. That didn't bother you one little bit.

That really is all I need to know.

it's not about him, its about you. You and your faux outage. If you are going to have some real moral outcry then how about stop being a hypocrite and do it do it regarding trump as well.

Anyway, go ahead and think what you want about me. You've been wrong several times already lol but that hasn't stopped you.

 

[SystemShock]

For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts.

You must be enjoying this... IIRC, I think that is a direct quote? Shouldn't you at least credit it?

 

[Beach Friends]

You must be enjoying this... IIRC, I think that is a direct quote? Shouldn't you at least credit it?

Sometimes a catchphrase just becomes part of the lexicon and you don't even consider the origin. For example, did you know that saying "God bless you" after someone sneezes is a holdover from the plague? I suspect you use that almost daily and never even think about it.