Israel vs Hamas (2 Viewers)

[GrandAdmiral]

Looks like the fight is on with Israeli soldiers and civilians amongst the dead already. Question becomes, how long before we get dragged into this?

Netanyahu says Israel is ‘at war’ after Hamas launches surprise attack, takes hostages | CNN

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that the country was “at war” on Saturday, after Palestinian militants in Gaza fired a deadly barrage of rockets and sent gunmen into Israeli territory in a major escalation of the long running conflict between the two sides.

www.cnn.com

 

[zztop]

These images are not easy to look at. Days like this I wonder what the point is to humans, when stuff like this happens all the time.

After 10 years of trying, a Palestinian woman had twins. An Israeli strike killed them both

It took 10 years and three rounds of in vitro fertilization for Rania Abu Anza to become pregnant, and only seconds for her to lose her five-month-old twins, a boy and a girl.

apnews.com

 

[Lapaz]

Vice President Harris gave a speech this weekend calling for an immediate cease fire which led to cheers, but then she caveated it with for 6 weeks. The cease fire would require Hamas to release more hostages, which is the only thing that is keeping Israel somewhat restrained. Harris is only calling for a 6 week cease fire, so is that a cease fire or a pause? It's like kicking the can down the road, because a few weeks after the cease fire is over, people will again begin to starve. It needs to be permanent until civilians can be evacuated. I said it before this started that camps needed to be setup in Israel. They could've kept everyone fed without killing thousands, and then leveled Gaza. In my opinion, Israelis are the bad guys now, because they had alternatives.

 

[Heathen]

Vice President Harris gave a speech this weekend calling for an immediate cease fire which led to cheers, but then she caveated it with for 6 weeks. The cease fire would require Hamas to release more hostages, which is the only thing that is keeping Israel somewhat restrained. Harris is only calling for a 6 week cease fire, so is that a cease fire or a pause? It's like kicking the can down the road, because a few weeks after the cease fire is over, people will again begin to starve. It needs to be permanent until civilians can be evacuated. I said it before this started that camps needed to be setup in Israel. They could've kept everyone fed without killing thousands, and then leveled Gaza. In my opinion, Israelis are the bad guys now, because they had alternatives.

This, and the US rejected a ceasefire resolution on February 20th.

The aid drops won't do nearly enough for millions of starving people, and what we saw last week (Israel firing on crowds trying to receive aid) I would not blame people for being fearful.

 

[MT15]

Vice President Harris gave a speech this weekend calling for an immediate cease fire which led to cheers, but then she caveated it with for 6 weeks. The cease fire would require Hamas to release more hostages, which is the only thing that is keeping Israel somewhat restrained. Harris is only calling for a 6 week cease fire, so is that a cease fire or a pause? It's like kicking the can down the road, because a few weeks after the cease fire is over, people will again begin to starve. It needs to be permanent until civilians can be evacuated. I said it before this started that camps needed to be setup in Israel. They could've kept everyone fed without killing thousands, and then leveled Gaza. In my opinion, Israelis are the bad guys now, because they had alternatives.

There isn’t any practical difference between a “ceasefire” and a “pause”. They mean the same thing. If it’s permanent it is called a peace treaty or similar.

 

[Heathen]

Palestinian Boy In Photos That Showed Reality Of Gaza Famine Dies Of Malnourishment

Yazan al-Kafarneh, 10, is one of the latest children in Gaza to die of severe malnourishment as Israel blocks aid from entering the territory.

www.huffpost.com

Warning - disturbing imagery:

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[Heathen]

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

I mean, we heard how easily and thoughtlessly the 'beheaded babies' lie was spread, even in Washington. Wouldn't shock me if it was a smear campaign used to justify what the IDF seemed pretty primed to do after October 7th.

That being said, i don't know 100%. But I'd err on the side of being suspicious of the claims.

 

[coldseat]

I don't think the UN has exactly been on Israel's side in this war. Not seeing a reason why they would lie. But also, HAMAS is a terrorist group, raping women is not beyond them. I not seeing a reason to doubt those allegations from the October 7th attack.

UN report finds ‘convincing’ information that hostages in Gaza were raped | CNN

A United Nations team has found “clear and convincing” information that hostages in Gaza were sexually abused, Pramila Patten, the UN special envoy on sexual violence in conflict told reporters on Monday. There are “reasonable grounds” to believe the sexual violence is ongoing, she added.

www.cnn.com

 

[SaintForLife]

That sounds like the ADL

 

[MT15]

What does this sound like to you, SFL?

 

[DaveXA]

There isn’t any practical difference between a “ceasefire” and a “pause”. They mean the same thing. If it’s permanent it is called a peace treaty or similar.

Yeah, that's what I always thought as well.

 

[SaintForLife]

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

I mean, we heard how easily and thoughtlessly the 'beheaded babies' lie was spread, even in Washington. Wouldn't shock me if it was a smear campaign used to justify what the IDF seemed pretty primed to do after October 7th.

That being said, i don't know 100%. But I'd err on the side of being suspicious of the claims.

This is the same corporate media that many claim are credible. When it comes to war, one should be skeptical until evidence is produced.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

There isn’t any practical difference between a “ceasefire” and a “pause”. They mean the same thing. If it’s permanent it is called a peace treaty or similar.

True, but some are trying to push the narrative that a ceasefire is more permanent.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[MT15]

True, but some are trying to push the narrative that a ceasefire is more permanent.

Well, they are trying to change the definition of the word then.

 

[SaintForLife]

Ah, the memories

 

[Heathen]