Israel vs Hamas (4 Viewers)

[GrandAdmiral]

Looks like the fight is on with Israeli soldiers and civilians amongst the dead already. Question becomes, how long before we get dragged into this?

Netanyahu says Israel is ‘at war’ after Hamas launches surprise attack, takes hostages | CNN

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that the country was “at war” on Saturday, after Palestinian militants in Gaza fired a deadly barrage of rockets and sent gunmen into Israeli territory in a major escalation of the long running conflict between the two sides.

www.cnn.com

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I thought it was funny. I will remove.

In other words, you thought it was real...

 

[el caliente]

In other words, you thought it was real...

if that will make you happy, sure.

 

[MT15]

Yeah, sure, let’s not play in the space where the US has played a part in arming and utilizing evils to break down governments.

- signed Latin America

This foolishness has become one of our core competencies.

So because you cannot support the disinformation you posted above, you are throwing out whatabouts from decades ago? Cool story.

 

[el caliente]

So because you cannot support the disinformation you posted above, you are throwing out whatabouts from decades ago? Cool story.

From decades ago? Now who’s being naive MT15?

 

[MT15]

I will have to go look up that post that debunked the meme. Given our history of destabilizing governments I just accepted it to be true.

It’s been widely debunked by every news organization and Community Notes on Twitter. Even Fox News anchors were correcting the Rs who were lying about it.

 

[MT15]

Oh, I’m not talking about that $6Bn. If I gave of that impression then pardon me. As far as I know that’s still locked up.

Then what money on earth were you talking about that the US gave Hamas, or Iran?

 

[el caliente]

It’s been widely debunked by every news organization and Community Notes on Twitter. Even Fox News anchors were correcting the Rs who were lying about it.

Are you still going on about that $6bn? I already said that the meme had nothing to do with that.

 

[el caliente]

Then what money on earth were you talking about that the US gave Hamas, or Iran?

Who said anything about money? For the kids in the back, this has nothing to do with the $6bn that people are talking about.

 

[MT15]

Who said anything about money? For the kids in the back, this has nothing to do with the $6bn that people are talking about.

I’m not sure even you know what point you were trying to make, el. Maybe instead of posting ambiguous weird memes, you should tell us in plain language what point you are trying to make.

 

[el caliente]

I’m not sure even you know what point you were trying to make, el. Maybe instead of posting ambiguous weird memes, you should tell us in plain language what point you are trying to make.

I thought that it was pretty clear from the meme, both sides are using weapons provided by US Tax payers.

You think I’m referring to some $6bn rumor that is being floated.

I’m referring to the US’s history of intervening in international affairs, and the weapons we provided (with tax payer funds) falling into the wrong hands (as they tend to do). It’s kind of our stock and trade.

 

[DaveXA]

I thought that it was pretty clear from the meme, both sides are using weapons provided by US Tax payers.

You think I’m referring to some $6bn rumor that is being floated.

I’m referring to the US’s history of intervening in international affairs, and the weapons we provided (with tax payer funds) falling into the wrong hands (as they tend to do). It’s kind of our stock and trade.

Most of the weapons used by Hamas were provided or paid for by Iran and other allies. I don't think we've provided anything, at least not lately. Israel is an ally, so no issue there.

 

[el caliente]

Most of the weapons used by Hamas were provided or paid for by Iran and other allies. I don't think we've provided anything, at least not lately. Israel is an ally, so no issue there.

I don’t think we directly provided the guns to Hamas, however they still used American made weapons to carry out their attacks. I mean, we are spending enough with our military budget where a few munitions can go missing and we would be none the wiser (for ducks sake how much weaponry did we leave behind when we left Afghanistan, $7bn?).

I typed into Google, what weapons did Hamas use, and this article came up.

From India to Israel, US weapons being used to attack its allies

It is being said that the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas is in possession of American weapons and that those were used in the latest carnage in Israel. US-made weapons have also been recovered from terrorists in Kashmir. How are the weapons being used against America's biggest friends?

www.indiatoday.in

 

[LA - L.A.]

A couple of things:

• a Nazi is a Nazi of course, of course, but you don't have to commit mass murder in the same fashion as the Nazis to be a mass murderer and not being the worst mass murderer doesn't make you any less of a mass murderer. Israel's and Hamas's human rights violations don't have to be as bad as the Nazi's to make both of their actions unacceptable, depraved and heinous. All three things can be true.
• Just because they IDF says something it doesn't make it true. They have repeatedly been caught spreading disinformation to justify their actions. They intentionally shot a killed a reporter and routinely harass reporters that report on their actions in a unfavorable, yet truthful, light. Israel is a classic example of how the victors get to write the history books.
• Hamas is not justified in their murder either and they lie too.
• Not every Israeli condones or supports the Israeli governments brutal oppression of Palestinians. Not every Palestinian condones or supports terrorist violence against Israelis, so how about we knock off talking as if all Israelis are the same and all Palestinians are the same? We should all do better than that.
• When did SaintForLife change their screen name to el caliente?

 

[MT15]

I thought that it was pretty clear from the meme, both sides are using weapons provided by US Tax payers.

You think I’m referring to some $6bn rumor that is being floated.

I’m referring to the US’s history of intervening in international affairs, and the weapons we provided (with tax payer funds) falling into the wrong hands (as they tend to do). It’s kind of our stock and trade.

Yeah your strategy is pretty clear. Or rather the views you have read and absorbed are pretty clear. America’s faults are exaggerated and amplified while the faults of our adversaries are ignored and/or minimized.

The phrase is “stock-in-trade”. The $6 billion “rumor” isn’t a rumor - it is a deliberate lie. It’s telling that you don’t call it what it is.

I would also be hesitant to immediately give credence to your one article. Did you even notice the qualifications in the article? “it is being said” and “they say”. It wasn’t even really an article, was it? It was exactly six sentences. The only picture offered was from 2021 in Afghanistan.

Do arms get stolen? Of course it happens. How much and how many is the actual context that needs to be taken into account. The amount of material “left behind” in Afghanistan is another item that has been distorted and exaggerated relentlessly by those who want to discredit Biden or America. The fact that you glibly quote a figure like that is another indication of your own agenda. Or rather an agenda that you have been fed and believed.

 

[SaintForLife]

The military pays for leave and reimburses travel for any number of medical procedures if they are not available in the location where the soldier is stationed. Tuberville is a moralizing idiot. It has nothing to do with the Hyde amendment, because they aren’t paying for the abortion.

What is the travel for that they are paying for? Tubberville's hold only prevent votes by unanimous consent right? Schumer can hold normal votes on any of those positions.

 

[el caliente]

Yeah your strategy is pretty clear. Or rather the views you have read and absorbed are pretty clear. America’s faults are exaggerated and amplified while the faults of our adversaries are ignored and/or minimized.

The phrase is “stock-in-trade”. The $6 billion “rumor” isn’t a rumor - it is a deliberate lie. It’s telling that you don’t call it what it is.

I would also be hesitant to immediately give credence to your one article. Did you even notice the qualifications in the article? “it is being said” and “they say”. It wasn’t even really an article, was it? It was exactly six sentences. The only picture offered was from 2021 in Afghanistan.

Do arms get stolen? Of course it happens. How much and how many is the actual context that needs to be taken into account. The amount of material “left behind” in Afghanistan is another item that has been distorted and exaggerated relentlessly by those who want to discredit Biden or America. The fact that you glibly quote a figure like that is another indication of your own agenda. Or rather an agenda that you have been fed and believed.

Why must you keep bringing up this $6bn bit? Do I need to denounce something that I don’t believe is true? I have stated multiple times that I am not referring to it. Just stop already.

Actually, in the article it points out US made arms are being used by Hamas (not all, but some). That shouldn’t be a shock. Given our activity in that region of the world weapons may “disappear”. And to your point these weapons can get stolen or left behind. When we left Afghanistan in the middle of the night we left a lot of munitions behind, and you can be confident much of that fell into the hands of the wrong people.

In the end, you have US Taxpayer funded munitions falling into the hands of the wrong folks. It sucks.

 

[SaintForLife]

Do you think it’s out of the realm of possibility that Russia and/or Iran provided training for these raids?

Or are you just going to complain because people are ‘picking on’ a homicidal maniac that you like to make excuses for?

Anything is possible, but the Tweet she reposted isn't even accurate.



From the Community Note:

ISIS was using drones to drop munitions on tanks in Mosul in 2016:

The Islamic State’s Drone Documents: Management, Acquisitions, and DIY Tradecraft – Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

Much has been made of the Islamic State drone threat ever since the group killed two Kurdish soldiers in October 2016 with a bomb hidden within one of its drones that Kurdish forces downed in Iraq.1 The Islamic State was able to achieve this feat through an act of deception, as the two Kurdish...

ctc.westpoint.edu

 

[DaveXA]

What is the travel for that they are paying for? Tubberville's hold only prevent votes by unanimous consent right? Schumer can hold normal votes on any of those positions.

In theory yes, but doing separate votes for each individual is incredibly inefficient and time consuming, not to mention it prolongs the time their offices are understaffed and is a drag on resources. For all the Republican talk of saving money and making the government more efficient, they sure like doing the opposite in practice.

Oh, and Tuberville is the biggest idiot in the Senate by a mile. He has no business being a Congressman.