Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[bdb13]

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More succinct than my earlier post but yeah, same exact point.

 

[bdb13]

@SaintForLife Just curious.. disregarding the political aspects of it and just on a human level, do you want to see Ukraine regain their land and "win"?

 

[efil4]

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HA- i dont even need "tequila infused" - just ask me. LOL

 

[SaintForLife]

I was arrested protesting the Iraq War. Three times.

I have never owned a gun, and consider myself a pacifist.

I am as against the Russian invasion as I would have been when Germany invaded Poland.

Russia annexed Crimea and invaded Donbas.... in 2014. This war has been going on ever since. To act like we are behind it now is to totally dismiss history.

Russia did it to Georgia in 08. They invaded nations only about three to five years slower than Hitler in 38.

It wasn't until Russia escalated the war - 8 years in - with a full fledged invasion with the stated goal of taking Kiyyv that anyone in the US even noticed. The idea that anyone in this country gave a shirt about Ukraine prior is laughable.

When Putin invaded, We stood by and watched. For weeks, we did nothing.

Then, and only when it became apparent that the Ukrainians were going to put up a fight and literally begged the world for help did we answer the bell.

And gave them the weapons systems that are part of the normal military equipment draw down. So we can buy more the next year. And so on. It is our old stuff we don't even use.

You can accuse us of hard diplomacy with Ukraine. You can accuse us of being opportunistic. But Russia brought this on their Imperialist selves.

The fact we have people in this country who love and support Putin isn't surprising. We have plenty of Nazi sympathizers too.

You claim that the US had no involvement in Ukraine until after Russia invaded? This article shows that's not the case. I understand why you believe that because the corporate press won't report on much that would interfere with the US war machine.

A Shadow US Foreign Policy

Exclusive: A shadow foreign policy apparatus built by Ronald Reagan for the Cold War survives to this day as a slush fund that keeps American neocons well fed and still destabilizes target nations, now including Ukraine, creating a crisis that undercuts President Obama, reports Robert Parry.

consortiumnews.com

The article was written by a credible reporter, but I'm sure the usual posters will still try to discredit him.

Robert Earle Parry was an American investigative journalist. He was known for his role in covering the Iran–Contra affair for the Associated Press and Newsweek, including breaking the Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare and the CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking in the U.S. scandal in 1985.

Also, Murphy naively admitted the US involvement in Ukraine in these CSPAN videos:

 

[SaintForLife]

An important distinction is made here. Warning, language:

Look at who you are posting.

 

[MT15]

Look at who you are posting.

I know exactly who I am posting. I just don’t have your somewhat reductive view of people - your idea that people are on “teams” or some such sophistry. Or that people are heroes or villains. Grow up.

I don’t have to agree with somebody very much, or even like them, to see when they make a good point that I do agree with. I’ve told you this multiple times, but you persist with these tiresome posts.

BTW, Walsh himself will tell you he played the right wing game for years and he will tell you he was wrong to do so. He knows exactly who he is, and is fairly transparent about his changes over the years. What should alarm you is that guys on what you seem to claim as “your side” against those “evil Dems” are often racist as all get out. It’s considered part of the deal with a large portion of them. That would give me pause, if my ideology was popular with racists. But you do you.

And, I thought you were against cancel culture anyway? Good lord…..

 

[LA - L.A.]

You claim that the US had no involvement in Ukraine until after Russia invaded?

How exactly did the US's involvement with Ukraine justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

The US is involved with a lot of countries, most of them in fact, but low and behold, no one is invading those other countries. In fact, China would have long invaded Taiwan if the US wasn't involved with Taiwan.

 

[UriUT]

I know exactly who I am posting. I just don’t have your somewhat reductive view of people - your idea that people are on “teams” or some such sophistry. Or that people are heroes or villains. Grow up.

I don’t have to agree with somebody very much, or even like them, to see when they make a good point that I do agree with. I’ve told you this multiple times, but you persist with these tiresome posts.

BTW, Walsh himself will tell you he played the right wing game for years and he will tell you he was wrong to do so. He knows exactly who he is, and is fairly transparent about his changes over the years. What should alarm you is that guys on what you seem to claim as “your side” against those “evil Dems” are often racist as all get out. It’s considered part of the deal with a large portion of them. That would give me pause, if my ideology was popular with racists. But you do you.

And, I thought you were against cancel culture anyway? Good lord…..

His reputation isn't as irrefutable as Micheal Tracey...
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[SaintForLife]

His reputation isn't as irrefutable as Micheal Tracey...
/s

Says the guy who won't comment on what Murphy admitted on CSPAN, but will deflect by focusing on who posted the video.

 

[SaintForLife]

How exactly did the US's involvement with Ukraine justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

The US is involved with a lot of countries, most of them in fact, but low and behold, no one is invading those other countries. In fact, China would have long invaded Taiwan if the US wasn't involved with Taiwan.

Russia bears the legal and moral responsibility for invading Ukraine, but let's not act like the US hasn't been In a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine since at least 2014. The US was involved in the coup in Ukraine in 2014. Do you think that's normal?

 

[DaveXA]

Russia bears the legal and moral responsibility for invading Ukraine, but let's not act like the US hasn't been In a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine since at least 2014. The US was involved in the coup in Ukraine in 2014. Do you think that's normal?

We were and have been involved with Ukraine going back decades. That's hardly new, and certainly not unique to Ukraine. There's a reason NATO has a vested interest in a stable, sovereign Ukraine. And they should assist them if they ask for help. They have, and the help was offered. You can deflect from the war or whatever, but Russia invading a sovereign country is reason enough regardless what was done in 2014 or whenever. Russia doesn't have a leg to stand on, period.

 

[MT15]

We were and have been involved with Ukraine going back decades. That's hardly new, and certainly not unique to Ukraine. There's a reason NATO has a vested interest in a stable, sovereign Ukraine. And they should assist them if they ask for help. They have, and the help was offered. You can deflect from the war or whatever, but Russia invading a sovereign country is reason enough regardless what was done in 2014 or whenever. Russia doesn't have a leg to stand on, period.

I know you will find this shocking, but the idea that the US was behind the popular uprising in Ukraine that chased the Putin puppet from power is a Kremlin talking point:

Putin accuses US of orchestrating 2014 ‘coup’ in Ukraine

In a column for a German newspaper, the Russian president accuses Washington of manufacturing Yanukovich’s removal.

www.aljazeera.com

Debunked in Europe and many other places:

Disinfo: A coup government handpicked by the US was established in Ukraine

After months of protests massively supported by the West, Viktor Yanukovych signed an agreement with the Western-backed opposition, brokered by the foreign ministers of France, Poland and Germany. The very next day, this agreement was no longer worth the paper it was written on. The presidential...

euvsdisinfo.eu

 

[LA - L.A.]

Russia bears the legal and moral responsibility for invading Ukraine, but let's not act like the US hasn't been In a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine since at least 2014. The US was involved in the coup in Ukraine in 2014.

Specifically detail what you think was the US involvement in the coup.

Did the majority of Ukrainians support the coup?

Did the coup make the majority of Ukrainians more free or less free?

Has Ukraine been more democratic or less democratic since the coup?

Would Ukraine be more democratic or less democratic if Russia seized control of Ukraine?

Do you think freedom and democracy are good things or bad things?

 

[efil4]

Specifically detail what you think was the US involvement in the coup.

Did the majority of Ukrainians support the coup?

Did the coup make the majority of Ukrainians more free or less free?

Has Ukraine been more democratic or less democratic since the coup?

Would Ukraine be more democratic or less democratic if Russia seized control of Ukraine?

Do you think freedom and democracy are good things or bad things?

He won't answer any of those.

Because it blows his narrative up.

But I give you an A for effort.

 

[LA - L.A.]

He won't answer any of those.

Because it blows his narrative up.

But I give you an A for effort.

Other people will answer the questions for themselves which is what matters the most.

 

[UriUT]

Says the guy who won't comment on what Murphy admitted on CSPAN, but will deflect by focusing on who posted the video.

It's adorable how much lack of self awareness you exhibit here.

 

[UriUT]

One of the most remarkable coup powers the US have is that we can convince MILLIONS of Ukrainians to storm the streets during maidan.

Out of curiosity, if the EU were to ask for conditions from turkey in return for admission into the EU, is that a coup? Or when the world bank/imf asks for conditions that recipients of their loans reduce corruption by removing certain corrupt officials or warlords....is that a coup? Hmmm...Biden asking that the ukrainian general prosecutor be removed precisely because he refused to prosecute corrupt officials is a coup? that is the conditions for us aid because if we didn't, these same mogos would clammer about how we fund warlords around the world. Or....fund chem wep labs...and lord forbid...gain for function labs around the world. Maybe we want free stable countries because that's generally good for us and our trade....so therefore we placed conditions...to join the EU, receive aid, NATO etc. Damn we still demand that now from zelensky as he has fire numerous officials for corruption. Hell sfl would faint if the weps we provided were to fall in the black market.

 

[coldseat]

One of the most remarkable coup powers the US have is that we can convince MILLIONS of Ukrainians to storm the streets during maidan.

Out of curiosity, if the EU were to ask for conditions from turkey in return for admission into the EU, is that a coup? Or when the world bank/imf asks for conditions that recipients of their loans reduce corruption by removing certain corrupt officials or warlords....is that a coup? Hmmm...Biden asking that the ukrainian general prosecutor be removed precisely because he refused to prosecute corrupt officials is a coup? that is the conditions for us aid because if we didn't, these same mogos would clammer about how we fund warlords around the world. Or....fund chem wep labs...and lord forbid...gain for function labs around the world. Maybe we want free stable countries because that's generally good for us and our trade....so therefore we placed conditions...to join the EU, receive aid, NATO etc. Damn we still demand that now from zelensky as he has fire numerous officials for corruption. Hell sfl would faint if the weps we provided were to fall in the black market.

Haven't you heard the latest conspiricy from thier right wing? Apparently that Ukraninan General Prosecutor was actually going after corruption (contrary to all avaialble facts). Burisma paid Joe Biden a 5,000,000 bribe to get that General prosecutor removed so that Burisma could continue being corupt and not get caught. There's a CHS who's intel we must take as the absolute truth. I know, the conspiricies are so hard to keep up with.