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    Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

    Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.


    VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

    But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

    Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

    There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.
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    www.nytimes.com

    Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

    If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.
    www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com


    www.nytimes.com

    Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

    Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.
    www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

    snyder.substack.com

    How to think about war in Ukraine

    Start with the Ukrainians
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    efil4 said:




    pressure campaign just getting cranked up today.
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    How can anyone not see what s happening? Zelensky says something bad about Putin in the Oval Office, Trump gets triggered. Zelensky says he's not going to stop fighting for his country and that is offensive to America??? Nah bruh, that's offensive to your puppet master.
     
    efil4 said:
    Wait til tomorrow after Trump addresses the nation.
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    Im sure most have seen "Trump announcing 'BIG ANNOUNCEMENT'" in tomorrows national address-

    Speculation now is he will announce US withdrawing from NATO.
     
    DJ1BigTymer said:
    How can anyone not see what s happening? Zelensky says something bad about Putin in the Oval Office, Trump gets triggered. Zelensky says he's not going to stop fighting for his country and that is offensive to America??? Nah bruh, that's offensive to your puppet master.
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    Right. Because it's basically:

    Zelensky: "The peace that we foresee in the future must be just, honest, and most importantly, sustainable"
    Trump: "It is what I was saying, this guy doesn’t want there to be Peace"

    Zelensky is being very clear in saying he wants a peace that's sustainable, i.e. not a brief ceasefire to give Russia a breather before they turn around and say, "OK, here we go again!" and re-invade. That naturally has to be backed up by sufficient deterrent to stop Russia doing that.

    Equating that with "not wanting there to be peace" necessarily means surrendering to Russia. Trump is very obviously acting on behalf of Russia's interests here. The main question is why he's doing that. Stupidity? Corruption? Both?

    Also the "US mineral interests in Ukraine means Russia wouldn't break a ceasefire" line is clearly just that, a line. It has the glaring flaw that it assumes Russia wouldn't provide continuation of the the US's mineral interests in exchange for letting them conquer Ukraine. That doesn't stand up at all, especially given that the Russia has already been offering that for occupied regions - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...minerals-ukranian-territory-seized-rcna193700 .
     
    RobF said:
    Right. Because it's basically:

    Zelensky: "The peace that we foresee in the future must be just, honest, and most importantly, sustainable"
    Trump: "It is what I was saying, this guy doesn’t want there to be Peace"

    Zelensky is being very clear in saying he wants a peace that's sustainable, i.e. not a brief ceasefire to give Russia a breather before they turn around and say, "OK, here we go again!" and re-invade. That naturally has to be backed up by sufficient deterrent to stop Russia doing that.

    Equating that with "not wanting there to be peace" necessarily means surrendering to Russia. Trump is very obviously acting on behalf of Russia's interests here. The main question is why he's doing that. Stupidity? Corruption? Both?

    Also the "US mineral interests in Ukraine means Russia wouldn't break a ceasefire" line is clearly just that, a line. It has the glaring flaw that it assumes Russia wouldn't provide continuation of the the US's mineral interests in exchange for letting them conquer Ukraine. That doesn't stand up at all, especially given that the Russia has already been offering that for occupied regions - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...minerals-ukranian-territory-seized-rcna193700 .
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    Its corruption- Trump wants to be king of the world. Aligning with Russia, Trump can exert pressure on China. Once you get China on board, the world order is set. He would be the "face" of the NWO, but take direction from Putin and Xi.

    I know it sounds absolutely fanciful, but i have a sinking suspicion that Trump is ready to sell western hegemony for opportunity to sit at the head of the world table.
     
    RobF said:
    Equating that with "not wanting there to be peace" necessarily means surrendering to Russia. Trump is very obviously acting on behalf of Russia's interests here. The main question is why he's doing that. Stupidity? Corruption? Both?
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    I think Putin has convinced Trump in their private conversations that they can turn the world into a multipolar world with 4 spears of influence. Russia over Europe and part of Asia, China over that rest of Asia/Indo-Pacific, Isreal over the middle east and the US over North/South America. In this future, the US would become authoritarian run by oligarchs. Trump has bought into this.

    This is the only logical explanation for all of these actions put together.
     
    Trump has stopped cyber offensive operations against Russia, which leaves us and Ukraine more vulnerable.

    www.dailymail.co.uk

    Trump makes huge concession to Russia: 'Putin's on the inside now'

    Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has ordered US Cyber Command to halt offensive cyberoperations against Russia, a move possibly aimed at drawing Vladimir Putin into negotiations over Ukraine.
    www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
     

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