Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[SaintForLife]

let me see if i got this right....

Russia, which occupies Crimea illegally, and is AT WAR with Ukraine, is upset that their AD knocked down an ATACMS that had cluster munitions over a beach with vacationing Russians?

Over a beach.
In a war zone.
Lets the general public to the beach?

So, what you are saying is that they should have the right to go to the beach, in a war zone, and be guaranteed safety?

Thats the Russians job. Not Ukraines.

And Putin wont do a damn thing.

Do you not think American made weapons guided by the US and their satellite killing Russian civilians isn't an escalation?

 

[SaintForLife]

Most of these responses are lies. You literally cannot read or comprehend anything past the 10th grade level or just lie about what you post and what others post. You are not grounded in any form of reality here as it relates to politics, and it's rotted your brain regarding what others post here.

Yeah you don't seem like the kind of person I want to spend time replying too. You must be a blast at parties

I never once called you an idiot.

It wasn't a verbatim quote. I was generalizing.

You calling me "hiding" is implying I'm a coward. I lurk and pick and choose where and when I want to participate. I'm not "hiding" at all, so what you just posted is at best, misleading, at worse, a lie.

I showed you a thread you could have participated in, but chose not to, yet you accuse me of hiding and insulting you every time I've recently posted on this board, which is a lie.

Oh yeah let me jump at the opportunity to join your thread after all your insults. Give me a break.

For someone who is so invested in discrediting the "corporate media," I would assume you would be interested in digging deeper and explaining how and why you think (or others) that the corporate media is flawed. I agree, there's a lot problems with the media run by big corporations. Why not try and have that discussion?

The corporate media discredits itself on a daily basis. Only the naive continue to think they are credible.

See answers above

I admit I have called you a conspiracy theorist, which you are.

I apologize for calling you a troll. I think you are ignorant because of your belief in conspiracy theories and unwilling to read or comprehend beyond what your handful of twitter handlers tell you to believe. I don't think you're interested in seeking the truth or engaging in others in genuine discussion or exchanging ideas. When you do attempt to engage, there's really nothing there, or it's revealed that you have not read your own source material, much less than what others provide. There's literally nothing much there beyond what you Tweet, and you're not interested in anything else beyond what you cut and paste.

You're not very well read and informed about much of anything.
You don't read or understand half of what you post.
You accuse others of being war mongers and CIA and FBI shills. I've followed plenty of posters from the old PDB board, and can assure you that most of us probably opposed the war in Iraq. I initially supported it then came to oppose it.

and your favorite?

You accuse others of "lapping up" what the "corporate media" slings.

So 8 months ago, I "came out of hiding" to create a thread with the hope that you would engage in some good-faith discussion and analysis of the corporate media.

Nothing. Nada.

It seems you are in your feels about others, including me--insulting you and getting personal. But by your own admission, you support a man for President of the United States who has made a career of personally--and viciously insulting people.

You're right *yawn*

Lol. You got multiple insults in that post. It's a wonder why I don't want to spend my time responding to you.

 

[efil4]

Do you not think American made weapons guided by the US and their satellite killing Russian civilians isn't an escalation?

The fact that you dont even know the guidance mechanism for ATACMS tells me all i need to know.



It was shot down.

So we are now blaming the US for a weapon that was intercepted while en route to its designated target?

serioulsy?

You think there is ZERO accountability for Russians allowing people to VACATION in a war zone? are you serious?

 

[RebSaint]

Yeah you don't seem like the kind of person I want to spend time replying too. You must be a blast at parties


It wasn't a verbatim quote. I was generalizing.

Oh yeah let me jump at the opportunity to join your thread after all your insults. Give me a break.


The corporate media discredits itself on a daily basis. Only the naive continue to think they are credible.

See answers above

Lol. You got multiple insults in that post. It's a wonder why I don't want to spend my time responding to you.

Okay. I'm genuinely sorry you feel insulted by my posts.

I'll go back hiding, now. Keep on owning the libs!

 

[SaintForLife]

Okay. I'm genuinely sorry you feel insulted by my posts.

I'll go back hiding, now. Keep on owning the libs!

I'm not upset about it, but I'm just not going to spend my time responding to someone who can't reply without insults in every post.

If you decide you can do that over time I'm open to discussing any subject with you.

It's just amusing that you think someone would want to spend time conversing with someone who constantly insults the other person.

 

[efil4]

I'm not upset about it, but I'm just not going to spend my time responding to someone who can't reply without insults in every post.

If you decide you can do that over time I'm open to discussing any subject with you.

It's just amusing that you think someone would want to spend time conversing with someone who constantly insults the other person.

answer my post now.

 

[RebSaint]

I'm not upset about it, but I'm just not going to spend my time responding to someone who can't reply without insults in every post.

If you decide you can do that over time I'm open to discussing any subject with you.

It's just amusing that you think someone would want to spend time conversing with someone who constantly insults the other person.

I understand why you perceive some of my posts to be insults because I have insulted you a few times. I apologize for doing so. But you are lying again about insulting you in "every post."

You are obviously a person deeply concerned about people insulting one another and general personal and political civility.

It's why you support Donald Trump, who has never insulted anybody and is and always been civil?

Am I to interpret this sensitivity to being concerned about civility on this board and in politics in general?

The hypocrisy is positively breathtaking.

 

[DaveXA]

Okay. I'm genuinely sorry you feel insulted by my posts.

I'll go back hiding, now. Keep on owning the libs!

He's a troll. That is all.

 

[SaintForLife]

I understand why you perceive some of my posts to be insults because I have insulted you a few times. I apologize for doing so. But you are lying again about insulting you in "every post."

You are obviously a person deeply concerned about people insulting one another and general personal and political civility.

It's why you support Donald Trump, who has never insulted anybody and is and always been civil?

Am I to interpret this sensitivity to being concerned about civility on this board and in politics in general?

The hypocrisy is positively breathtaking.

I'm not concerned about that, but I have a limited amount of free time to post here and I ain't wasting it on people who constantly insult me.

 

[SaintForLife]

He's a troll. That is all.

Case in point

 

[efil4]

I'm not concerned about that, but I have a limited amount of free time to post here and I ain't wasting it on people who constantly insult me.

so then for the 3rd time, answer my post.

 

[RebSaint]

I'm not concerned about that, but I have a limited amount of free time to post here and I ain't wasting it on people who constantly insult me.

So you're not concerned at all about personal or political civility, but have a "limited amount of free time" to post here because you're so sensitive to people who insult *you* right?

So you claim *not* to be concerned about personal or political civility, despite rules about such things on this, private website (the TOS), but draw several red lines about your perception about people insulting *you*

So you're not so concerned about the TOS or personal or political civility, but sensitive to others who you *perceive* to be violating personal and political civility?

Got it. I appreciate you outlining the parameters for engaging with you and your time.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Do you not think American made weapons guided by the US and their satellite killing Russian civilians isn't an escalation?

its pretty simple. if they don't want any kind of escelation, just get out of Ukraine. plain and simple. there isn't one logical reason you can give why Russia is still trying to conquer Ukraine, other than thinking Russian has the right to Ukrainian country..
And its also simple that Russia can't becuase they will look bad on the national stage if they do pull out.

 

[bird]

Do you not think American made weapons guided by the US and their satellite killing Russian civilians isn't an escalation?

Now, that is funny as hell. Russians have been killing civilians since they invaded.

Go back to Freeperville.

 

[bird]

I'm not concerned about that, but I have a limited amount of free time to post here and I ain't wasting it on people who constantly insult me.

 

[efil4]

He's a troll. That is all.

he has answered Reb 2 different times, and avoided all 3 of my requests to answer my post.

Just want EVERYONE to realize just who yall are dealing with here....he is nothing more than a pot-stirring troll. Has no real intent to discuss, debate or be shown just how wrong/misinformed/untruthful he is. Once that starts to happen, he ignores until such time that he has been able to look on the webz for ANYTHING that supports his stance, no matter how Wrong/misinformed/untruthful the source he links is. ( See the cooking show lady followed by MMA fighter-turned-political-expert )

 

[DaveXA]

Case in point

Indeed. You make a great case for sure.

 

[DaveXA]

he has answered Reb 2 different times, and avoided all 3 of my requests to answer my post.

Just want EVERYONE to realize just who yall are dealing with here....he is nothing more than a pot-stirring troll. Has no real intent to discuss, debate or be shown just how wrong/misinformed/untruthful he is. Once that starts to happen, he ignores until such time that he has been able to look on the webz for ANYTHING that supports his stance, no matter how Wrong/misinformed/untruthful the source he links is. ( See the cooking show lady followed by MMA fighter-turned-political-expert )

Right? There has been zero, nada, zilch, not a damn thing that shows any good faith critical thinking on his part. He might as well be a Russian bot. About as useful.