Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[Maxp]

How many NATO countries are currently firing missiles over Russian territory? How many NATO countries have invaded other European countries since joining NATO?

And NATO is the aggressor, what a joke!

 

[efil4]

So we are back to Ukraine/West were responsible for the terror attack in Russia.

 

[DaveXA]

It's like Russia lives in some alternate reality.

 

[MT15]

It's like Russia lives in some alternate reality.

It’s the same reality Trump lives in. Sickening.

 

[efil4]

It’s the same reality Trump lives in. Sickening.

where do you think he learned it from?

 

[DaveXA]

where do you think he learned it from?

Precisely! Lol.

 

[UriUT]

Anti-LGBTQ family who fled to Russia regret choice as locals don't speak English

A conservative, hyper-Christian Canadian family who fled Canada for Russia over Canada's pro-LGBTQ ideologies now regrets their decision because the locals don't speak English

www.mirror.co.uk

This can go on a few other thread, but in case some may not have picked the story a month back here it is.

A Canadian couple with 8 kids sold their farm so that they can then move to Russia. The reason is that Canada and the West have gone too woke...LGBT rights. They opened an account at a Russian bank, and transfered all their money into it. That bank flagged it for suspicious activity and froze the account. The couple moved into a two room apartment, with 8 children in Russia. They don't speak Russian, so they had difficulty remedying their troubles. No water and trouble with groceries. Unfortunately for them, thinking that free speech is a thing in Russia, they complained on their YouTube channel about how horrible Russia is. A few days later, they came back on their channel and apologized to Russia and that they were mistaken.

But their troubles dont end there. I can't find a "corporate media" that have covered it since as im sure they have little interest by now. Therefore I don't know with certainty their fate. Apparently, because they don't speak any Russian and that is a requirement for residency, the family has to leave Russia soon.

Ooops?

 

[fooferdoggie]

I am fall for the uber christian haters moving to Russia. god bless them. they belong there.

It remains to be seen, however, whether the family will remain happy in Russia. But Arend seems to think the move was the right decision for them in the long run, as it got the hyper-Christian family away from "left-wing ideology, LGBTQ, trans" and other things they felt their kids should stay away from.

"Canada is not the same country it used to be," Arend said in a press conference, the Mail Online reported. "We didn't feel safe with our children there and for the future." He added: "We wanted to get away from that for our children. But also, for economic reasons, the farming has better opportunities. We felt that Russia was the best."

Arend also believes in Putin and his push to "stand up against Western pressures." The family's move comes just a couple of years after Russia passed a law banning any public displays of support for gay people Arend reportedly received aid from Russian officials who helped the family relocate, and he encouraged other families in Canada and the US to follow suit and come with them, stating that "there's tons of land and opportunity" in the country, specifically for Christians and conservatives like him and his family.

 

[DaveXA]

I am fall for the uber christian haters moving to Russia. god bless them. they belong there.

It remains to be seen, however, whether the family will remain happy in Russia. But Arend seems to think the move was the right decision for them in the long run, as it got the hyper-Christian family away from "left-wing ideology, LGBTQ, trans" and other things they felt their kids should stay away from.

"Canada is not the same country it used to be," Arend said in a press conference, the Mail Online reported. "We didn't feel safe with our children there and for the future." He added: "We wanted to get away from that for our children. But also, for economic reasons, the farming has better opportunities. We felt that Russia was the best."

Arend also believes in Putin and his push to "stand up against Western pressures." The family's move comes just a couple of years after Russia passed a law banning any public displays of support for gay people Arend reportedly received aid from Russian officials who helped the family relocate, and he encouraged other families in Canada and the US to follow suit and come with them, stating that "there's tons of land and opportunity" in the country, specifically for Christians and conservatives like him and his family.

Hey, if they want to move to Russia, by all means, go for it. Good luck trying to move back of you change your mind tho.

What would be funny is moving to Russia and get sent to the front lines as a meat shield. Not really funny, but kinda.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Hey, if they want to move to Russia, by all means, go for it. Good luck trying to move back of you change your mind tho.

What would be funny is moving to Russia and get sent to the front lines as a meat shield. Not really funny, but kinda.

no I think Putin will use the idiots as a propaganda tool. he is laughing his arse off about it. but I am sure the family is so much safer way from those scary gays and cross dressers.

 

[UriUT]

I am fall for the uber christian haters moving to Russia. god bless them. they belong there.

It remains to be seen, however, whether the family will remain happy in Russia. But Arend seems to think the move was the right decision for them in the long run, as it got the hyper-Christian family away from "left-wing ideology, LGBTQ, trans" and other things they felt their kids should stay away from.

"Canada is not the same country it used to be," Arend said in a press conference, the Mail Online reported. "We didn't feel safe with our children there and for the future." He added: "We wanted to get away from that for our children. But also, for economic reasons, the farming has better opportunities. We felt that Russia was the best."

Arend also believes in Putin and his push to "stand up against Western pressures." The family's move comes just a couple of years after Russia passed a law banning any public displays of support for gay people Arend reportedly received aid from Russian officials who helped the family relocate, and he encouraged other families in Canada and the US to follow suit and come with them, stating that "there's tons of land and opportunity" in the country, specifically for Christians and conservatives like him and his family.

His family will soon be deported from Russia because they failed the residency test, which requires them to know Russian. Their hate for a minority group blinded them. They were delusional thinking the grass is greener there. Minimal research and planning.

And this is me thinking out loud. They may not even get a good portion of their money back because of Putin's sanctions related laws limiting remittance. He taxes a good portion of personal wealth. These people will lose chunk to that and the cost of relocating 10 people. Then finding housing back in Canada. It's a mess based on fear mongering. They are victims.

 

[fooferdoggie]

His family will soon be deported from Russia because they failed the residency test, which requires them to know Russian. Their hate for a minority group blinded them. They were delusional thinking the grass is greener there. Minimal research and planning.

And this is me thinking out loud. They may not even get a good portion of their money back because of Putin's sanctions related laws limiting remittance. He taxes a good portion of personal wealth. These people will lose chunk to that and the cost of relocating 10 people. Then finding housing back in Canada. It's a mess based on fear mongering. They are victims.

no I think Putin will let them stay as they are good propaganda material.

 

[UriUT]

I sometimes wonder if you even know basic facts.

1. NATO already borders Russia

2. NATO Baltic countries are extremely close to Russia population centers. It's 80 miles from Estonia to St. Petersburg.

3. The Baltic countries joined 20 years ago.

4. NATO has never attacked Russia, nor threatened to first strike them.

5. Defense pacts are only provocative if you intend to invade.

6. Any member country of NATO can leave at anytime. France left in 1966 with a handshake, and rejoined fully in 2009.

7. Your post is full of missing reasons. Why does Europe, and especially former Warsaw countries want to join NATO so bad after the dissolution of the USSR?

8. Russia is in violation of it's own security guarantees for Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Adding a little on top of this. Nato signed a cooperation agreement with Russia in 1991. Nato and Russia had military exercises together as late as the last few years when Nato finally expelled the last remaining Russians from brussels due to the Ukrainian invasion. There was a reason that most academia and policy elites scoffed when Romney made the Russia is our main rival comment. The west had expected and wanted putin to cooperate/participate in the new international environment.

And the US under Clinton initially rejected Nato expansions. I have forgotten the circumstances as to why they changed their minds, but those eastern countries pushed and asked for Nato admission. Clinton was probably the only one to understand the danger putin posed and told yeltsin so. Unfortunately yeltsin sought protection for his family and friends from corruption charges. He chose putin rather than cede authority to the west aligned liberals like Nemtsov. And putin solidified his authority by the false flag apartment bombings and subsequent war w chechnya.

 

[SaintForLife]

I sometimes wonder if you even know basic facts.

1. NATO already borders Russia

2. NATO Baltic countries are extremely close to Russia population centers. It's 80 miles from Estonia to St. Petersburg.

3. The Baltic countries joined 20 years ago.

4. NATO has never attacked Russia, nor threatened to first strike them.

5. Defense pacts are only provocative if you intend to invade.

6. Any member country of NATO can leave at anytime. France left in 1966 with a handshake, and rejoined fully in 2009.

7. Your post is full of missing reasons. Why does Europe, and especially former Warsaw countries want to join NATO so bad after the dissolution of the USSR?

8. Russia is in violation of it's own security guarantees for Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

What if China decided to form their own version of NATO and they got Mexico and Canada to join? The US would see that as a national security threat right?

What if China's Ministry of State Security(Their CIA) installed 40 secret bases on the US borders with Canada and Mexico. The US would see that as a national security threat right?

What if China supported Coups in Canada or Mexico to get new leaders installed who were hostile to the US, but friendly with China. The US would see that as a national security threat right?

 

[brandon]

What if China decided to form their own version of NATO and they got Mexico and Canada to join? The US would see that as a national security threat right?

What if China's Ministry of State Security(Their CIA) installed 40 secret bases on the US borders with Canada and Mexico. The US would see that as a national security threat right?

What if China supported Coups in Canada or Mexico to get new leaders installed who were hostile to the US, but friendly with China. The US would see that as a national security threat right?

 

[efil4]

What if China decided to form their own version of NATO and they got Mexico and Canada to join? The US would see that as a national security threat right?

What if China's Ministry of State Security(Their CIA) installed 40 secret bases on the US borders with Canada and Mexico. The US would see that as a national security threat right?

What if China supported Coups in Canada or Mexico to get new leaders installed who were hostile to the US, but friendly with China. The US would see that as a national security threat right?

Mexico and US relations just too symbiotic. Mexico would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. It would never ever happen. They rely on US way too much.

Hence why the US is regarded as the economic superpower.

Toss in the freedoms we enjoy, and you have a built in defense against others attempting to befriend our neighbors.

Oh and it's quite apparent neither want to be communist.

So dude, before you post, just gaze down and verify those laces aren't tied together. It's getting sad.

 

[bird]

What if China decided to form their own version of NATO and they got Mexico and Canada to join? The US would see that as a national security threat right?

What if China's Ministry of State Security(Their CIA) installed 40 secret bases on the US borders with Canada and Mexico. The US would see that as a national security threat right?

What if China supported Coups in Canada or Mexico to get new leaders installed who were hostile to the US, but friendly with China. The US would see that as a national security threat right?

Russia has agents inside Russian embassies and consulates in this country and around the world.

 

[UriUT]

Y’all are missing his point. Remember, this is the same person who bashes the us for Iraq and every other policy as imperialism. He’s a proud isolationist. Remember that.

Now, he’s suggesting that if china and Mexico forms a defensive alliance, the us, like Russia with Ukraine, has the right to initiate an unprovoked war against Mexico. Right? Another Iraq, that he opposes, but thinks, we can repeat with Mexico. Wtf……the intelligence behind that logic is dizzying me. I mean, he’s putting himself in putin’s mind, and apologizing for it.

And is it strange that Putin invites Californian and Texan separatist to Moscow, encourages them, and wedidnt beat an eye lash? But when Hillary makes a speech about human rights and encouraging democracy, putin goes ballistic and accuse her of instigating insurrections. Or how Putin promises he will not invade Ukraine all the way up to his announcement that he had initiated his special military operation? So, instead of putting ourselves in putin’s mind, let’s view it from the Baltic states, Poland, Romania, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, and, lol, Armenia. Let’s do a mental exercise. Which of those countries were attacked by russia, and which had nato protection. Armenia, thought they had a special relationship with Putin and was protected. So they started a war w Azerbaijan. They won the first, but once Azerbaijan discovered vast oil and natural gas fields and refused to transit thru Russia, they became wealthy. Started a war against Armenia. Armenia begged Putin for help, but nope. Now Armenia is cussing Putin out. Of course it’s a little more complex, but the moral is, who the hell views it from putin’s perspective, and apologizes for him?

Edit: this is important. We ve given him multiple sources that the maiden isn't a coup...I mean the us must be really good at it to convince...was it 60%? of the population to take the streets. He still clings on to then"coup" as gospel. Ridiculous.