Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[efil4]

LOL

Brit ( to Ukrainian soldier ) : "Press this button here to fire"
Ukrainian : "ok da"

Rest of the Putin supporters : "See ?!?!?! We on cusp of WWIII and nuclear armageddon"

good lawd

 

[SaintForLife]

Every reporter you cited was reporting on what Putin and Russia claimed.

That's not accurate. They were talking about what NATO said in regards to them discussing an actual treaty with Russia which NATO said they rejected.

The propaganda is thick in this video. It's as if they are all reading from the same script:

The "multiple other people" were also reporting or repeating what Russia and Putin told them.

Not quite. Some were involved in the negotiations and some were close to Zelensky.

Russia and Putin are the original sources of everything reported in the sources you cited.

Nope

You cited US and NATO officials who said that Russia and Putin blamed US and NATO actions for their invasion of Ukraine.

That again is reporting and repeating of the things that Putin and Russia said, it is not the US and NATO saying "yeah, the things that we did are why the US and NATO invaded Ukraine." What they are saying is "yeah, Russia and Putin keep saying that they invaded Ukraine because of things we did."

A draft proposal of a treaty from Putin presented to NATO isn't just something Putin said.

Actions speak louder and more truthfully than words.

You keep posting and believing reports that are relying on what Russia and Putin say. You either trust what Putin and Russia say or you aren't aware that Russia and Putin are the original sources of all the reports that you trust and believe.

That's not accurate.

 

[SaintForLife]

Why do you keep posting these spectacularly dumb takes? Russia is attacking Ukraine. It makes literally no sense to talk about Russia "eventually retaliating" as if their fleet is just sitting there innocently while Ukraine and their allies are launching missiles at them.

I think most of your posts are magnificently idiotic, but I don't complain constantly like you do.

 

[efil4]

Mike Benz - the bastion of "journalism"


you keep tripping over your shoelaces every time you think you have some "groundbreaking" info only to find out it coming from a source that has a very specific agenda, and zero journalistic integrity.

but you keep posting.

This anti-censorship crusader appears to have buried something himself: A secret alt-right past

Frame Game, the pseudonym of an alt-right internet personality, hid his face while pushing racist conspiracy theories. Inadvertent slips revealed details about his identity.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[SaintForLife]

Mike Benz - the bastion of "journalism"


you keep tripping over your shoelaces every time you think you have some "groundbreaking" info only to find out it coming from a source that has a very specific agenda, and zero journalistic integrity.

but you keep posting.

This anti-censorship crusader appears to have buried something himself: A secret alt-right past

Frame Game, the pseudonym of an alt-right internet personality, hid his face while pushing racist conspiracy theories. Inadvertent slips revealed details about his identity.

www.nbcnews.com

Hit piece by a misinformation(censorship) activist. Yawn

 

[efil4]

Hit piece by a misinformation(censorship) activist. Yawn

was any of it ( what he did, what he was, etc ) a lie?

i didnt think so.

 

[SaintForLife]

was any of it ( what he did, what he was, etc ) a lie?

i didnt think so.

She's a Democrat censorship activist. She's not a credible reporter.

 

[efil4]

She's a Democrat censorship activist. She's not a credible reporter.

nothing you posted changes the fact that Mike Benz ( aka Frame Game ) is exactly who she said he was.

Nothing.

If he wasnt ANY of what she said, they would have been sued for libel/slander - aaaaaaaaaaaaand they werent.

huh.

 

[SaintForLife]

1. "The CIA invited the New York Times in." They specifically say in the NYT article that many of the NYT's 200-some interviews were done inside the physical building of one the 12 secret CIA bases in Eastern Ukraine -- which means this wasn't a scoop, it was an invitation & base tour from the CIA invited them in for the express purpose of getting that piece published.

2. "This is a dirty trick by our Central Intelligence Agency to use the New York Times as its own personal mouthpiece, to protect its own personal piggy bank." This is the selective leaking of intelligence just to get short-term funding. The key paragraph in the NYT piece gives away the game that the bases are all praying for more funding. The whole article is about how important these CIA bases have become and what catastrophe will befall them if Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson vetoes the hotly contested new Ukraine funding bill.

3. The NYT article reveals those CIA bases are not just defensive -- they are for offensive scouting of targets to hit within Russia proper. That's not defending Americans or even Ukrainians: long range missiles are for killing Russians. Beyond such offensive operations not being mission critical, they're a provocation to war. And they were set up **years before** 2022.

 

[LA - L.A.]

They were talking about what NATO said in regards to them discussing an actual treaty with Russia which NATO said they rejected.

You're conflating two different things.

One issue is peace talks. The US rejected peace talks with Russia, because Russia did not want Ukraine to be part of the peace talks and the US would not engage in peace talks without Ukraine speaking for themselves.

The US and NATO rejected Putin and Russia's terms in regards to talks about a peace treaty. Putin and Russia keep falsely saying that The US and NATO rejected a peace treaty.

The other issue is NATO and the US repeating Russia's claim that they invaded Ukraine because of actions taken by NATO and the US.

The US and NATO have never said they agree or believe that their actions are why Putin and Russia invaded Ukraine.

What is your opinion of Putin and Russia murdering innocent people in Ukraine by intentionally targeting residences, public places and civilian infrastructure?

What is your opinion of Putin and Russia raping, torturing and murdering innocent people of Ukraine in the areas of Ukraine that they occupy?

What is your opinion of Putin and Russia taking hundreds of Ukranian children away from their families in Ukraine and sending them to Russia to be re-educated as Russian citizens?

 

[J-DONK]

The other issue is NATO and the US repeating Russia's claim that they invaded Ukraine because of actions taken by NATO and the US.

Anyone who is going to read this post please pull up youtube, and play God Bless America while you read this. This is probably my pro-American post I've ever made. I can't believe SFL brought me to do this.

It's talked about in this insidious way by SFL, but American influence was all soft power in Ukraine. We are talking USAID, and NGO's trying to bring in closer ties to Ukraine. A huge example was the deals with American oil companies to start offshore oil, and gas extraction in 2008. Russia freaked out at this because it diminished their influence over both Ukraine, and Europe.

I want SFL to understand this. Blunting, and negating Putin's influence in Europe is an American goal.

You start ranting about the CIA, but this is the reality.

I honestly think geopolitics in general is way to complicated, and complex for your kind normal binary thinking. Most of this stuff rarely fits into good vs bad, or right vs wrong.

America's biggest issues these days are all in defending, or trying to stabilize the world. We want the war in Europe to end with a Russian defeat so they don't feel emboldened to try again. We also want China to not invade Taiwan. You can really get into the weeds when you start talking about why America has pivoted to this vs wars in the middle east. A lot of it has to do with we are the world's number 1 oil producer. We are destroying the ability for OPEC to do any kind of cuts at all. We simply produce their shortfalls, and leave them with less overall market share.

Does any of that make us good or bad? America is a stabilizing force in the world, but that mainly has to do with trade. We very much prosper from global trade. Remember next time you ran about the evil's of America, and the CIA. You live in the most peaceful period of world history. History will call this era Pax Atomica, or Pax Americana. You live in the most benevolent Empire to every exist.

 

[SaintForLife]

You're conflating two different things.

One issue is peace talks. The US rejected peace talks with Russia, because Russia did not want Ukraine to be part of the peace talks and the US would not engage in peace talks without Ukraine speaking for themselves.

That's not true. I posted the video of the Ukrainian Ambassador who was involved in the peace talks between Ukraine and Russia.

The US and NATO rejected Putin and Russia's terms in regards to talks about a peace treaty. Putin and Russia keep falsely saying that The US and NATO rejected a peace treaty.

Um, here's the leader of NATO saying they rejected Putin's treaty.

The other issue is NATO and the US repeating Russia's claim that they invaded Ukraine because of actions taken by NATO and the US.

See above post

The US and NATO have never said they agree or believe that their actions are why Putin and Russia invaded Ukraine.

Oh okay.

I think the 3 things you listed about Putin is horrible and should be condemned.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I posted the video of the Ukrainian Ambassador who was involved in the peace talks between Ukraine and Russia.

The Ukrainian Ambassador did not say that the US kept Ukraine from agreeing to a peace treaty with Russia. Give the link and the time code to when exactly the Ukrainian ambassador says that the US kept Ukraine from accepting a peace treaty with Russia.

Here's the leader of NATO saying they rejected Putin's treaty.

No where in that link does the leader of NATO say that they rejected Putin's peace treaty. Give the time code in the video at what point you allege the NATO leader said that.

I think the 3 things you listed about Putin is horrible and should be condemned.

Then why do you shy away from openly condemning Putin and Russia like you do Ukraine, US, Hamas and Israel? Why not quote the 3 things that I said that you say you agree with? You quoted everything else from my post that you responded to, so why did you delete that part of my post you claim you agree with?

 

[SaintForLife]

The Ukrainian Ambassador did not say that the US kept Ukraine from agreeing to a peace treaty with Russia. Give the link and the time code to when exactly the Ukrainian ambassador says that the US kept Ukraine from accepting a peace treaty with Russia.

Goalpost moving. I referenced that Ambassador in regards you claiming that Russia didn't want Ukraine involved in peace talk which your claim was false. The Ambassador wasn't one of the multiple people who confirmed that the US and UK scuttled the peace talks.

No where in that link does the leader of NATO say that they rejected Putin's peace treaty. Give the time code in the video at what point you allege the NATO leader said that.

40 seconds in the 2023 video

Then why do you shy away from openly condemning Putin and Russia like you do Ukraine, US, Hamas and Israel? Why not quote the 3 things that I said that you say you agree with? You quoted everything else from my post that you responded to, so why did you delete that part of my post you claim you agree with?

I save my criticisms for the instigators of the wars. Russia bears the legal and moral responsibility for invading Ukraine, but the US pushed the coup in 2014 and has been in a proxy war since then.

Where have you criticized US foreign policy?

 

[efil4]

This is the 15th ship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet that has been destroyed. For comparison, they only have 55 or so true "warships" - so we are at almost 30% of ENTIRE FLEET of ships.

 

[DaveXA]

This is the 15th ship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet that has been destroyed. For comparison, they only have 55 or so true "warships" - so we are at almost 30% of ENTIRE FLEET of ships.

Who knew Poots would lose 30% of his naval fleet in a SMO against Ukraine, who has hardly any naval assets?

 

[SaintForLife]

Rest of the post:

Ukraine is destroyed, and has permanently lost Crimea and its main industrial region
-Europe is deindustrializing
-Russia is permanently alienated, and tighter than ever with China, India, and Iran
-much of the world refused to isolate Russia, and suffered no consequences
-institutions central to U.S. dollar hegemony no longer viewed as neutral
-NordStream broke the seal on sabotaging international infrastructure
-Russian military capabilities significantly increased, not decreased
-countries like Iran, North Korea, etc have seen that, short of total war, NATO conventional capabilities are quite limited

Still, Nuland is one of those undead creatures in Washington, who has only ever failed upward, so her resignation probably indicates her usefulness has finally run out.

Nuland is a neocon that has served in every administration in recent memory except Trump. It's amazing how every administration has had a war hungry neocon like her running things.

 

[SaintForLife]