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    Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

    Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.


    VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

    But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

    Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

    There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.
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    www.nytimes.com

    Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

    If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.
    www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com


    www.nytimes.com

    Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

    Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.
    www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

    snyder.substack.com

    How to think about war in Ukraine

    Start with the Ukrainians
    snyder.substack.com snyder.substack.com


     
    SaintForLife said:
    Um, MT15 posted that article in this thread recently. Maybe you should take it up with her.

    Oh 15 others? They are all reporting on the same thing. You act as is if all 15 independently verified the information.
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    im taking it up with you since you seem to only look to discredit info that doesnt conform with your beliefs

    your immediate dismissal of information that doesnt tote your line is borderline comical at this point.

    shoot, you literally admitted as much just above. ( now on next page so your post immediately prior to this one quoted )
     
    MT15 said:
    Stalemate is very different than “Russia has already won” no? You tend to post things that don’t confirm what you say.

    Also, yes casualty figures are hard to come by. But what we have here is 3 independent estimates - UK and US, plus Ukraine all put casualties for Russia at about 300,000.

    You admit you have nothing else to go on, but are eager to assume that everyone is lying. I even posted a Russian analyst who puts the figures at around 300,000 as well.

    Why deny what literally every side here thinks is true? Because one Twitter account and Taibbi (a known Russian sympathizer who has been dishonest in the past) say so?
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    Ah yes, let's believe everything the government tells us during war. It's not like they've lied to us before during wars right?

    I'm know there has been a lot of casualties on both sides, but the obvious attempt to try to save face and act as if Russia lost the war is laughable.

    Taibbi is a know Russian sympathizer and has been dishonest on the past? According to who? Schiff, Goldman, Frum, or Boot? Why don't you say specifically what that claim is instead of hiding behind vague accusations that don't prove anything?
     
    efil4 said:
    LOL - aka confirmation bias.
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    It's pretty simple. If anyone is being paid or funded by anyone in the military industrial complex then they shouldn't be trusted if they are advocating anything that would make the military industrial complex more money.
     
    SaintForLife said:
    It's pretty simple. If anyone is being paid or funded by anyone in the military industrial complex then they shouldn't be trusted if they are advocating anything that would make the military industrial complex more money.
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    Simple? More like simpleton. This is a dumb and unworkable belief. You can literally project that to any industry or government body and nobody in America would be believable about anything. :shrug:

    Except for Trump the twitters you follow, I guess. :cheer:
     
    SaintForLife said:
    Is he criticizing the war or cheerleading the war like many on the left? If he was advocating positions that support the war then I wouldn't consider him credible.

    Oh look at you now concerned about who is being funded by the military industrial complex. That's hilarious considering just about every person you post here about the Ukraine war is being funded by weapons manufacturers, governments, intelligence agencies and censorship goons.
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    I was just showing you how stupid it is when you complain about every single person who says something you don’t like, even if you have to go back decades to find a time they worked for someone you disapprove of. You won’t find any foreign policy experts who fit your impossible criteria, even the ones you agree with, but you just don’t complain if they say something you like.

    He’s advocating pro-Russian positions. So of course you think he’s A-OK. Anyone who is advocating for the US to quit supporting Ukraine is doing Putin‘s bidding, it’s just that simple. There is no way Putin would stop the invasion if the US quits supporting Ukraine. They will roll into Kyiv. Is that what you want?
     
    SaintForLife said:
    Um, MT15 posted that article in this thread recently. Maybe you should take it up with her.

    Oh 15 others? They are all reporting on the same thing. You act as is if all 15 independently verified the information.
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    There are 4 independent estimates of Russian casualties. The US, U.K., Ukraine and the Russian military analyst. All have agreed with the 300,000 range figure.

    If you’re so cocksure they are all wrong, then tell us what is the actual number?
     
    MT15 said:
    There are 4 independent estimates of Russian casualties. The US, U.K., Ukraine and the Russian military analyst. All have agreed with the 300,000 range figure.

    If you’re so cocksure they are all wrong, then tell us what is the actual number?
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    What's their estimate for Ukrainian casualties?
     
    SaintForLife said:
    Only 100,000? Come on
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    Look, you seem have zero issue with saying everyone else is wrong, but you repeatedly refuse to put your own ideas out there.

    I do think Ukraine’s casualties are far less than Russia, and it makes sense if you have even cursory knowledge of how the war has been fought up til now.
     
    Quick pivot, @SaintForLife.

    Can I ask what your desired endgame is here? Like, I get that you want us to stop funding Ukraine, but have you thought even one step past that?

    Like, when we stop funding Ukraine, they inevitably fall to Russia (which, to be fair, you claim has basically already happened). What do you think happens next?
     
    brandon said:
    Quick pivot, @SaintForLife.

    Can I ask what your desired endgame is here? Like, I get that you want us to stop funding Ukraine, but have you thought even one step past that?

    Like, when we stop funding Ukraine, they inevitably fall to Russia (which, to be fair, you claim has basically already happened). What do you think happens next?
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    he'll give Ukraine back their land, and 100% will not attempt to mess with any other nation afterwards.. he'll go back to being peaceful..
     
    SaintForLife said:
    It's pretty simple. If anyone is being paid or funded by anyone in the military industrial complex then they shouldn't be trusted if they are advocating anything that would make the military industrial complex more money.
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    There isn't a single source with access to classified war time military information that doesn't benefit financially from some country's military-industrial complex.

    Do you mean specifically the US military-industrial complex? What makes the US military-industrial beneficiaries any less credible than those who benefit from the military-industrial complexes of other nations?
     
    Here is a shocker. A former US Marine who moved to Russia in 2016 (coincidence?) has a website full of disinformation intended to discredit Ukraine and Zelensky. And GOP members of Congress are spreading its lies.

     
    Oh, you don’t say? A coordinated effort at messaging from fans of Putin? Main stream media fails to produce a true picture.

     

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