Immigration thread (2 Viewers)

[Zombiewoof]

In keeping with the site's desire to have more conversation based on concepts, ideas and principles, I will be posting a couple of threads in hopes of generating discussion on topics that are relevant no matter who is in office or the news cycle at any point in time.

What are your guiding principles related to immigration? What in your opinion would be the most reasonable plan to reduce illegal immigration? Should legal immigration be limited to those who can assume roles in US society that are in short supply? What steps are necessary for elected representatives to be able to find compromise on these issues?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

So, what are the chances that the administration abides by this new court order?

Judge orders restoration of DACA, opening immigration program to new applicants for first time since 2017

About 300,000 undocumented immigrant teens and young adults who qualify for DACA on paper could apply for the Obama-era protections from deportation following the court order.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[DaveXA]

So, what are the chances that the administration abides by this new court order?

Judge orders restoration of DACA, opening immigration program to new applicants for first time since 2017

About 300,000 undocumented immigrant teens and young adults who qualify for DACA on paper could apply for the Obama-era protections from deportation following the court order.

www.cbsnews.com

I don't know, but good on the judge for that ruling.

 

[Goatman saint]

That’s awesome. Now more deserving kids can get out of the shadows, complete their educations and become productive members of society without hiding in the shadows wasting their talents on field or warehouse work. It would also mean that they can travel outside the US which is huge. Now if I want to go to South America or Spain I just have to buy my friend a ticket also

 

[zztop]

I came across this today

SCOTUS punts on Trump bid to exclude undocumented immigrants from key Census count

The Supreme Court on Friday, by a vote of 6-3, said an effort to block President Trump from excluding undocumented immigrants from a key Census count was "premature."

abcnews.go.com

 

[DaveXA]

I came across this today

SCOTUS punts on Trump bid to exclude undocumented immigrants from key Census count

The Supreme Court on Friday, by a vote of 6-3, said an effort to block President Trump from excluding undocumented immigrants from a key Census count was "premature."

abcnews.go.com

Sounds like they're waiting until there is some actionable event where an agency or individual sues and the case holds merit for review.

I guess too soon is the word. Obviously the 3 other justices would rather just hand down a preemptive decision because they think it's obvious what Trump is trying to do here.

 

[Goatman saint]

Sounds like they're waiting until there is some actionable event where an agency or individual sues and the case holds merit for review.

I guess too soon is the word. Obviously the 3 other justices would rather just hand down a preemptive decision because they think it's obvious what Trump is trying to do here.

Playing the waiting game hoping with the transition of power that this will go away. However, personally when you look up the history of the census I don’t see how the illegal vote could constitutionally be thrown. I also have doubts wether the idea of chopping off x number of people couldn’t lead to a massive lawsuit as those numbers would be removed off a census.

 

[zztop]

The census was allowed to end early, for some reason, so this other action by the court (I posted above) is kind of confusing

 

[zztop]

So I just read about this. Anyone get a feeling like this is a game of ping pong?

Federal judge finds DACA unlawful, blocks new applicants

Current recipients are unaffected for now, but the Texas court ruling could spur congressional action.

www.politico.com

 

[samiam5211]

So I just read about this. Anyone get a feeling like this is a game of ping pong?

Federal judge finds DACA unlawful, blocks new applicants

Current recipients are unaffected for now, but the Texas court ruling could spur congressional action.

www.politico.com

Yea, we need legislation that makes DACA the law.

I am pro immigration, but DACA was an abuse of executive power. At this point it is cruel to the people impacted by this yo-yo, and should be made legal regardless of where people stand on immigration issues.

 

[DaveXA]

Yea, we need legislation that makes DACA the law.

I am pro immigration, but DACA was an abuse of executive power. At this point it is cruel to the people impacted by this yo-yo, and should be made legal regardless of where people stand on immigration issues.

Yeah, I agree.

 

[Goatman saint]

DACA was hardly an abuse of presidential power. Enforcement of immigration falls directly on the executive branch. It was entirely within Obama’s power to do what he did.
Now we have one of the most hyper partisan judges in Texas out to throw red meat to the dogs. Who would’ve thought. Cant challenge the fact that DACA students that are here are here to stay, at this point they are way too ingrained into society to remove, and there is no reason that will hold up in court to take it away.
However, there does need to be law passed to if not gain citizen ship, at least permanent status and quit this political bickering and grandstanding.
But, corporations don’t want any progress towards legalizing as they lose a huge disposable workforce (immigrants in general), and neither political party wants to deal with it as it’s become a rallying point at election time to drive fear and paranoia into their bases.
It’s disgusting, it pisses me off, but what can be done?

 

[samiam5211]

DACA was hardly an abuse of presidential power. Enforcement of immigration falls directly on the executive branch. It was entirely within Obama’s power to do what he did.
Now we have one of the most hyper partisan judges in Texas out to throw red meat to the dogs. Who would’ve thought. Cant challenge the fact that DACA students that are here are here to stay, at this point they are way too ingrained into society to remove, and there is no reason that will hold up in court to take it away.
However, there does need to be law passed to if not gain citizen ship, at least permanent status and quit this political bickering and grandstanding.
But, corporations don’t want any progress towards legalizing as they lose a huge disposable workforce (immigrants in general), and neither political party wants to deal with it as it’s become a rallying point at election time to drive fear and paranoia into their bases.
It’s disgusting, it pisses me off, but what can be done?

Deferring deportation was within executive power.

Giving them work authorization and advance parole was not.

 

[Paul]

Unless an immigrant is an epidemiologist or maybe a pulmonologist, I don't see how they can help us right now.

US medical schools have never ben able to graduate enough doctors to cover the nation. They have imported Indian and Pakistani doctors (among others) for many years.

IN any event, the left wants immigration of poor immigrants because they have empathy and compassion. They see them as members of the oppressed class. The capitalists want those same immigrants because they work for low wages.

Best way to do immigration is to admit diverse people in small numbers from ALL nations of the world. Since they come in small numbers they have no choice but to assimilate. The are unable to form communities in the USA and have to intermarry. Avoid admitting MANY from just one or two countries. They come and form their own communities and never assimilate or learn the language.

Admit young immigrants that are going to contribute to social security. No point in admitting the elderly that will use resources they did not pay for.

Admit people that already have a job in the USA. That is what Canada does.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Assimilation is for the Borg. I continue to contend that any idea of assimilation is impractical in the US because there are too many sub-cultures within this nation. The average guy who lives in Manhattan is probably radically different than the average guy who lives in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. Which one of those cultures is the immigrant supposed to assimilate with?

 

[CoolBrees]

The idea of a monolithic American culture that immigrants need or even could assimilate to fails on its face.

Cities don’t even have a single culture for jeebus sakes.

I mean, go to LA (the city) and try to assimilate into the monolithic culture. If you don’t know why that would be impossible and a ridiculous notion then you have never been to LA.

 

[samiam5211]

Immigrant enclaves in cities are probably closer to the thread that binds us together than something that is tearing us apart.

 

[CoolBrees]

To add-

The multiculturalism is what makes America great.

if you are a Somali immigrant, there are large populations of Somali immigrants in certain places- Minneapolis,MN and Morgan County, Colorado to randomly name some.

you’re from Poland? Check out east chicago on the Indiana side of the border.

And Since I know we have a poster who loves to group all Latin Americans together- Oh man do I have a place for you. East Los Angeles has every nation from Latin America - even down their cities and neighborhoods (Sao Paolo was like two blocks from me but I was mostly in Guatemala. They have festivals parades - whole blocks celebrating their homeland’s National holidays. it used to keep me up all night when I lived in Highland Park with all of the happiness. That is America

We don’t need to focus on bringing in educated or working class immigrants. How in the world is someone to know how someone’s children would prosper in America? Why even try? We need to work on Making America Great Again by overhauling our immigration process to allow for clear path to citizenship; and making it easier for those from war torn or oppressive governments can seek asylum here.

We should become the beacon on the hill again that doesn’t think that assimilation is positive. It isn’t. Assimilation is China’s MO. America is invention. Invention requires new ideas and new perspectives. We don’t get those monolithicly.

 

[Paul]

Assimilation is for the Borg. I continue to contend that any idea of assimilation is impractical in the US because there are too many sub-cultures within this nation. The average guy who lives in Manhattan is probably radically different than the average guy who lives in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. Which one of those cultures is the immigrant supposed to assimilate with?

You are making my point. The people in urban areas and the people in the middle of the country seem to be from different planets even though they have the same nationality. It is not wonder the nation is divided and headed for balkanization. The Borg is socialism whereas a single American ethos is something entirely different. Without common ground there is no unity.