Immigration is completely out of control (2 Viewers)

[SystemShock]

A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.

 

[coldseat]

I meant the coyote too.

I was just going from memory, but it looks like I was wrong. I found this from a quick search (that I probably should have done previously).

The coyotes charge anywhere from $1,400 to $8,000 per person for the passage, a price that covers all transport – flights to San Andrés, the boat from there to Nicaragua, and the subsequent bus journeys through Central America – as well as accommodation, paperwork, food, SIM cards, guides and – allegedly – guaranteed ...Nov 9, 2023

Human traffickers offer ‘VIP route’ from Venezuela to avoid Darién perils. It’s just as dangerous

Coyotes claim route is ‘100% safe’, but dozens have died and Colombian coast guard have rescued more than 1,000 people

www.theguardian.com

With Panama?

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[FullMonte]

I'm sure that is his thinking, but when Trump does crap like this we go nuts.

Trump never did anything like this. That would require Trump understanding the law, knowing what the courts have done in the past, understanding how government works, and working through all of that and taking a thought out action based on all of that.

 

[bird]

That was a million years ago.

It's been what, 50 years since the Junta took over Nicaragua? Where is Nicaragua now?

It matters not. Corporations still call the shots along with the U.S. government propping up autocrats.

Nicaragua is irrelevant from the standpoint of the Sandinistas and Reagan’s hatred of them. Authoritarian systems will always oppress people. The labels “left” and “right” become meaningless.

 

[LA - L.A.]

It matters not. Corporations still call the shots along with the U.S. government propping up autocrats.

Nicaragua is irrelevant from the standpoint of the Sandinistas and Reagan’s hatred of them. Authoritarian systems will always oppress people. The labels “left” and “right” become meaningless.

Exactly. Authoritarians aren't right or left, they are only authoritarians pretending to be something else.

The Nazi's pretending to be socialists/left. They were not. They were authoritarians.

Current Republicans pretend to be conservative/right. They are not. They are authoritarians.

 

[SystemShock]

It matters not. Corporations still call the shots along with the U.S. government propping up autocrats.

So U.S. corporations are calling the shots in Guatemala, Honduras, San Salvador, Nicaragua, Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, etc etc etc...

Nicaragua is irrelevant from the standpoint of the Sandinistas and Reagan’s hatred of them.

The Sandinistas took power in Nicaragua over 50 years ago. They were not propped by U.S. corporations, and U.S. corporations are definitely not calling the shots there. How's Nicaragua doing? What has happened since then? No much, since the guy who was the leader of the FSLN back then is still the ruler, other than his wife now rules by his side, as president and vice president.... well, that, and political persecutions have intensified.

Authoritarian systems will always oppress people. The labels “left” and “right” become meaningless.

Left and right are still meaningful, even in an authoritarian State. In MX, we've seen both, first during the 30 years of right-wing Porfiriato, which is the period Porfirio Diaz was dictator, and then during 70 years of the more leftist PRI dominion; even though they ran elections every 6 years and a new president but still, they all came out from the PRI; votes were just disposed of, and the PRI candidate declared winner.

 

[MT15]

Trump never did anything like this. That would require Trump understanding the law, knowing what the courts have done in the past, understanding how government works, and working through all of that and taking a thought out action based on all of that.

I don’t understand why it is so hard for some people to discern the basic difference between Trump and Biden. I truly don’t get it.

 

[Dragon]

I understand the terms of service, I used to be a moderator on here.
Go back and read what I said again, it’s plain I meant country and culture of the immigrants coming here. Running from their problems isn’t going to fix anything and they will lose what’s left of their country if they don’t fix it.

People have to suffer to create change. It’s no different here than there. Just look at what people in our own country went through to make change. You can’t run away from your problems and from bullies. You stand up and fight. People have to stand up for themselves eventually.

Ask your questions again and I’ll try to answer them. And I get frustrated because we have become robots that worship politicians and fight amongst each other on issues that 99% of us agree on are a problem but have different ways of fixing.

People don’t have their own thoughts anymore, rather they say what they are told to do. Both parties have created this environment we live in and pitted us all against one another to benefit themselves and too many people fall for it hook line and sinker.

Today the surgeon general says we need warning labels on social media apps for children. It should be for adults as well because it’s unhealthy.
Not picking on you but reading threads on here I see you reposting from random people I’ve never heard of like it actually means something. I bet all your social media feeds are full of liberal media sites, liberal celebrities, “journalists” and random people you agree with. I bet you watch MSNBC and CNN constantly just taking in all they have to offer and it’s. I also think you’re are a very intelligent person that gets swept up in the “football game” of politics. It’s not about choosing sides or blaming sides. They all have blood on their hands. Back when we could discuss politics on SR we would talk about how we could probably solve the country’s problems over a weekend of have cocktails. It’s not that way anymore because there is no compromise. So sorry if I came off strong I just can’t stand the blame game.

Surgeon General demands warning label on social media apps

Congress has long chastised social media companies, claiming they pose harm to children.

wdsu.com

Just tell me how they can fix the lack of water and ever growing climate changes that makes their countries uninhabitable? And which part of the world are the major contributors to the Climate changes?? Not the poor south and central american states. So those countries that are causing most of the problems should just turn their back of those most affected by said issues ?

And I saw you quoted the bible previously but you forgot this part

For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’ “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’ “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’ “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’ “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’

The the parts of he bible they selectively ignore...

 

[DaveXA]

The the parts of he bible they selectively ignore...

Indeed. It's odd that they ignore what you'd normally think are actually the good parts.

 

[brandon]

Exactly. Authoritarians aren't right or left, they are only authoritarians pretending to be something else.

The Nazi's pretending to be socialists/left. They were not. They were authoritarians.

Current Republicans pretend to be conservative/right. They are not. They are authoritarians.

This is incorrect.

Both Nazis and current Republicans were/are far-right authoritarians.

There can be both right-wing and left-wing authoritarians, but both of these ideologies are right-wing authoritarian.

Right-wing authoritarianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DaveXA]

This is incorrect.

Both Nazis and current Republicans were/are far-right authoritarians.

There can be both right-wing and left-wing authoritarians, but both of these ideologies are right-wing authoritarian.

Right-wing authoritarianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Agreed. Far left would be something like the USSR, China and probably North Korea. Socialist/communist far left authoritarian regimes. Nazis were certainly far right authoritarians.

 

[SystemShock]

Just tell me how they can fix the lack of water and ever growing climate changes that makes their countries uninhabitable?

Well, they have to at least try to do something first, not just let it go.
Which countries are inhabitable in C.A. due to climate change?

BTW, have you seen what's happening in Florida? It's not like there's no climate change in the U.S.

And which part of the world are the major contributors to the Climate changes??

The U.S., China, Brasil, and Russia are the major contributors of C02 emissions. In the 2000's, China surpassed the U.S. as the major contributor of C02 emissions by a lot. China emits about 25% of C02, while the U.S., has fallen to 11%. Then there is India, Indonesia... what are those countries are doing nothing to curb emissions? Maybe they should be first on the list to take in refugees, but you don't see people seeking asylum in China, or Russia, or Brasil?

And why is it that it is only the U.S. that needs to fix things?

Not the poor south and central american states. So those countries that are causing most of the problems should just turn their back of those most affected by said issues ?

Any country that has cars, airplanes, trains, cattle, uses plastics, incurs in active deforestation, runs on energy that doesn't come from wind or solar, etc. contributes to C02 emissions. There really are no innocents in the climate change issue.

And I saw you quoted the bible previously but you forgot this part

Something that most people don't really get about those passages, they are meant for their equals, their peers, their tribe, not for everyone.

 

[DaveXA]

Something that most people don't really get about those passages, they are meant for their equals, their peers, their tribe, not for everyone.

Indeed.

 

[Dragon]

Well, they have to at least try to do something first, not just let it go.
Which countries are inhabitable in C.A. due to climate change?

BTW, have you seen what's happening in Florida? It's not like there's no climate change in the U.S.


The U.S., China, Brasil, and Russia are the major contributors of C02 emissions. In the 2000's, China surpassed the U.S. as the major contributor of C02 emissions by a lot. China emits about 25% of C02, while the U.S., has fallen to 11%. Then there is India, Indonesia... what are those countries are doing nothing to curb emissions? Maybe they should be first on the list to take in refugees, but you don't see people seeking asylum in China, or Russia, or Brasil?

And why is it that it is only the U.S. that needs to fix things?


Any country that has cars, airplanes, trains, cattle, uses plastics, incurs in active deforestation, runs on energy that doesn't come from wind or solar, etc. contributes to C02 emissions. There really are no innocents in the climate change issue.


Something that most people don't really get about those passages, they are meant for their equals, their peers, their tribe, not for everyone.

Show me where the teaching of Jesus says that those statements only cover their equals.. I bet you cant

 

[Dragon]

Well, they have to at least try to do something first, not just let it go.
Which countries are inhabitable in C.A. due to climate change?

BTW, have you seen what's happening in Florida? It's not like there's no climate change in the U.S.


The U.S., China, Brasil, and Russia are the major contributors of C02 emissions. In the 2000's, China surpassed the U.S. as the major contributor of C02 emissions by a lot. China emits about 25% of C02, while the U.S., has fallen to 11%. Then there is India, Indonesia... what are those countries are doing nothing to curb emissions? Maybe they should be first on the list to take in refugees, but you don't see people seeking asylum in China, or Russia, or Brasil?

And why is it that it is only the U.S. that needs to fix things?


Any country that has cars, airplanes, trains, cattle, uses plastics, incurs in active deforestation, runs on energy that doesn't come from wind or solar, etc. contributes to C02 emissions. There really are no innocents in the climate change issue.


Something that most people don't really get about those passages, they are meant for their equals, their peers, their tribe, not for everyone.

Refugees go to the nearest safe haven initially. And yes Russia and China are also getting refugees and so is Europe. When people are starving og dying due to heat or lack of water - they move. You make it sound like everyone is comming to the US and that is not correct

 

[DaveXA]

Show me where the teaching of Jesus says that those statements only cover their equals.. I bet you cant

I don't know about equals, but definitely for believers.

 

[LA - L.A.]

This is incorrect.

Both Nazis and current Republicans were/are far-right authoritarians.

There can be both right-wing and left-wing authoritarians, but both of these ideologies are right-wing authoritarian.

Right-wing authoritarianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What I said was correct. The Nazi's, as in the National Socialist German Workers' Party, pretended to be socialists which is considered left or liberal. They were fascists authoritarians.

The Republicans pretend to be conservative and right, they are not they are fascist authoritarians.

I don't care what a wikipedia entry says. Right/conservative and left/liberal are about specific principles and following those principles.

Fascists authoritarians don't follow any principles are ideologies. They only follow their self-serving whims. If they wake up one day and feel that right/conservative ideas fit what they want that day, then they pretend to be right/conservative that day. If the next day left/liberal serves them better, then they pretend to left/liberal that day.

Look at Trump for an example. He railed against alleged rampant voter fraud, because he knew Biden would get more mail in votes. Now he's telling his followers to do mail in votes, because it will be to his advantage.

That's neither left or right, it's purely self-serving.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I don't know about equals, but definitely for believers.

Didn't Christ teach something along the lines of loving your enemies as you love yourself.