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    A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

    Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

    It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

    Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

    Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

    Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

    Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

    And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.
     
    If they are made it to CR, they already fled whatever situation they were fleeing from, and supposedly already received asylum from CR.
    Yeah, I don’t know. But they can still seek to immigrate to the US I suppose?
     
    In regards to Costa Rica, they're probably trying to get ahead of the refugee situation that climate changes are going to cause in Costa Rica. Asylum is not just for people fleeing conflicts. Thinking that asylum is just for people fleeing conflicts is a mistake that some people keep making.

     
    Sure they could, but then asylum is out of the question.
    You do know that there is something called a UN refugee? People who may at first get emergency shelter in one country - but if said country can't accomodate the number of refugees they receive, the UN will help by asking their member states to help.

    https://www.unhcr.org/

    And the situation is going to get worse.... A LOT worse
     
    You do know that there is something called a UN refugee?
    No! Really?!?
    People who may at first get emergency shelter in one country - but if said country can't accomodate the number of refugees they receive, the UN will help by asking their member states to help.

    https://www.unhcr.org/
    Are there any U.N. refugee camps in Costa Rica?
    Would the U.N. ask only the U.S. to take in migrants?

    And the situation is going to get worse.... A LOT worse
    Yep. Eventually it is going to be the whole planet.

    Speaking of things getting a lot worse, you are next to Sweden. What's going on there?
     
    This is absolutely crazy especially considering the current border problems we are having.

    "an obstacle in U.S. law "

    Will these people to vote?



     
    What is absolutely crazy is you posting the same thing 3 times in a row, and still flogging the old anti-Semitic trope about voter replacement. Let me repeat the truth so maybe you will quit lying about it. Non-citizens cannot vote in federal elections. Nobody is trying to change that no matter how many times you repeat the lie.
     
    What is absolutely crazy is you posting the same thing 3 times in a row, and still flogging the old anti-Semitic trope about voter replacement. Let me repeat the truth so maybe you will quit lying about it. Non-citizens cannot vote in federal elections. Nobody is trying to change that no matter how many times you repeat the lie.
    I'm posting the same things 3 times in a row?

    Do you understand this a brand new proposal from Biden and that the CBS article was published today?

    You are so predictable and you always fall back on your false antisemitism accusations that nobody is buying.

    Do you agree with the new Biden proposal to give legal status to illegals? It's obviously not legal, but he doesn't care.

    I'm not expecting you will say anything specific about the Biden proposal. I'm expecting some talking points about MAGA, me believing dishonest people, saying I'm lying(you were 0-2 on your lie recent lie accusations and that seems to be your new standard reply) etc.
     
    I'm posting the same things 3 times in a row?

    Do you understand this a brand new proposal from Biden and that the CBS article was published today?

    You are so predictable and you always fall back on your false antisemitism accusations that nobody is buying.

    Do you agree with the new Biden proposal to give legal status to illegals? It's obviously not legal, but he doesn't care.

    I'm not expecting you will say anything specific about the Biden proposal. I'm expecting some talking points about MAGA, me believing dishonest people, saying I'm lying(you were 0-2 on your lie recent lie accusations and that seems to be your new standard reply) etc.
    Legal or not, these people won't be able to vote anytime soon as this process wouldn't be automatic and those who presumably would be eligible still would have to apply and go through the process which would take months, if not years. It has zero effect on this election, unless someone already eligible changes their planned vote this year. The order isn't going to meaningfully change the number of eligible voters anytime soon.

    Nothing more than the typical fear mongering by Trump supporters.
     
    What is absolutely crazy is you posting the same thing 3 times in a row, and still flogging the old anti-Semitic trope about voter replacement. Let me repeat the truth so maybe you will quit lying about it. Non-citizens cannot vote in federal elections. Nobody is trying to change that no matter how many times you repeat the lie.
    They can already vote in some local elections around the country. Now NY wants illegals to be able to vote in local elections. What safeguards are in place that makes sure that those illegals voting in local elections will be turned away if they try to vote in a federal election?

     
    They can already vote in some local elections around the country. Now NY wants illegals to be able to vote in local elections. What safeguards are in place that makes sure that those illegals voting in local elections will be turned away if they try to vote in a federal election?

    Can you even read? It was deemed unconstitutional per the article you posted. Again, nothing more than fear mongering.
     
    Can you even read? It was deemed unconstitutional per the article you posted. Again, nothing more than fear mongering.
    Are you stupid or you unable to read the article I posted above about Biden illegally giving legal status to hundreds of thousands of illegals?
     
    No, you're the one acting like it's already happened. Duh.
    I'm reminded why I usually ignore your posts everytime I reply to you based on the idiotic replies I get from you.

    So you are saying that I'm claiming it's already happened eventhough the proposal by Biden was just reported on today for the 1st time?
     
    I'm reminded why I usually ignore your posts everytime I reply to you based on the idiotic replies I get from you.

    So you are saying that I'm claiming it's already happened eventhough the proposal by Biden was just reported on today for the 1st time?
    By the way you're responding. You clearly stated below that this is already happening below. That's simply not true. And what NY wants, they won't get because it's already been ruled unconstitutional. No additional safeguards are needed because it's not actually a thing yet. Idiotic? Lmao.

    They can already vote in some local elections around the country. Now NY wants illegals to be able to vote in local elections. What safeguards are in place that makes sure that those illegals voting in local elections will be turned away if they try to vote in a federal election?

     
    By the way you're responding. You clearly stated below that this is already happening below. That's simply not true. And what NY wants, they won't get because it's already been ruled unconstitutional. No additional safeguards are needed because it's not actually a thing yet. Idiotic? Lmao.
    You are wrong and I've posted this here before.

    Ballotpedia, a digital encyclopedia of American politics and elections, lists 17 municipalities that currently have laws allowing at least some noncitizens to vote in local elections. Noncitizens include people with legal authorization to live or work in the U.S., as well as people who are undocumented.

    VERIFY confirmed that the language of 13 of these municipalities’ laws includes undocumented immigrants among the noncitizens allowed to vote. The other four allow some noncitizens to vote, but not undocumented immigrants.

    These municipalities include San Francisco and Oakland in California, Washington, D.C., and 10 communities in Maryland. All 10 of the Maryland communities are within the two counties that directly border Washington, D.C.

    Some of these municipalities, such as San Francisco and Oakland, only allow their undocumented residents and other noncitizens to vote in local school board elections, and only if they are parents of children attending the local school district. Others, such as Washington, D.C., allow noncitizens to vote for offices such as mayor and council member, as well as on referendums.

    Oakland’s law directly franchises undocumented immigrants by defining noncitizens as “documented immigrants, lawful permanent residents, residents on work visas, and undocumented immigrants.”

    Many of the other laws don’t directly name undocumented immigrants, but extend the right to vote broadly enough to include them. For example, Chevy Chase Section 3, Maryland, defines “qualified voter” as “any person who is a resident of Chevy Chase Section 3, without regard to citizenship, and is at least eighteen (18) years of age.”

    While the city doesn’t allow them to vote in elections for citywide offices, Chicago allows undocumented immigrants to vote in what it calls local school councils, which serve as the governing bodies for individual schools. Students can also vote in these elections, of which there are 477 in the city.



    Also illegals give more House seats to some states.

    Looking at non-citizens and their U.S.-born minor children redistributes 10 seats, with Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Idaho, Minnesota, Missouri, West Virginia, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island each having one fewer seat. California will have four more seats than it otherwise would have; Texas will have three more seats; and New York, Florida, and New Jersey will have one additional seat each.

    Illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born minor children will redistribute five seats in 2020, with Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Minnesota, and West Virginia each losing one seat in 2020 that they otherwise would have had. California and Texas will each have two additional seats, and New York will have one additional seat.


     
    You are wrong and I've posted this here before.

    Ballotpedia, a digital encyclopedia of American politics and elections, lists 17 municipalities that currently have laws allowing at least some noncitizens to vote in local elections. Noncitizens include people with legal authorization to live or work in the U.S., as well as people who are undocumented.

    VERIFY confirmed that the language of 13 of these municipalities’ laws includes undocumented immigrants among the noncitizens allowed to vote. The other four allow some noncitizens to vote, but not undocumented immigrants.

    These municipalities include San Francisco and Oakland in California, Washington, D.C., and 10 communities in Maryland. All 10 of the Maryland communities are within the two counties that directly border Washington, D.C.

    Some of these municipalities, such as San Francisco and Oakland, only allow their undocumented residents and other noncitizens to vote in local school board elections, and only if they are parents of children attending the local school district. Others, such as Washington, D.C., allow noncitizens to vote for offices such as mayor and council member, as well as on referendums.

    Oakland’s law directly franchises undocumented immigrants by defining noncitizens as “documented immigrants, lawful permanent residents, residents on work visas, and undocumented immigrants.”

    Many of the other laws don’t directly name undocumented immigrants, but extend the right to vote broadly enough to include them. For example, Chevy Chase Section 3, Maryland, defines “qualified voter” as “any person who is a resident of Chevy Chase Section 3, without regard to citizenship, and is at least eighteen (18) years of age.”

    While the city doesn’t allow them to vote in elections for citywide offices, Chicago allows undocumented immigrants to vote in what it calls local school councils, which serve as the governing bodies for individual schools. Students can also vote in these elections, of which there are 477 in the city.



    Also illegals give more House seats to some states.

    Looking at non-citizens and their U.S.-born minor children redistributes 10 seats, with Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Idaho, Minnesota, Missouri, West Virginia, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island each having one fewer seat. California will have four more seats than it otherwise would have; Texas will have three more seats; and New York, Florida, and New Jersey will have one additional seat each.

    Illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born minor children will redistribute five seats in 2020, with Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Minnesota, and West Virginia each losing one seat in 2020 that they otherwise would have had. California and Texas will each have two additional seats, and New York will have one additional seat.


    Those apply only to local elections, not state and federal. Wake me up when a state election allows this.

    And to be sure, I don't agree with local elections allowing this.
     
    Those apply only to local elections, not state and federal. Wake me up when a state election allows this.

    And to be sure, I don't agree with local elections allowing this.
    You just told be that illegals weren't voting in local elections. You said it was already found to be unconstitutional for illegals to vote in local elections. So you were wrong on both points.

    Do you agree with Biden wanting to illegally grant legal status to hundreds of thousands of illegals?
     

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