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    A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

    Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

    It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

    Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

    Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

    Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

    Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

    And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.
     
    I couldn't care less about what Republicans will or won't do.

    Biden did something that he knows is illegal. It should be universally condemned.
    We don’t know how the EO is worded. We don’t know whether the courts will say it is okay (legal) or not. Trump’s was held to be unconstitutional, (I don’t think legal or illegal is the right phrasing) but I haven’t compared the two EOs side by side so I don’t know.
     
    We don’t know how the EO is worded. We don’t know whether the courts will say it is okay (legal) or not. Trump’s was held to be unconstitutional, (I don’t think legal or illegal is the right phrasing) but I haven’t compared the two EOs side by side so I don’t know.

    We know that the law doesn't allow a numerical limit on the number of people who can apply for asylum, and that any alien physically present in the US has a legal right to claim credible fear.
     
    Like I said, you don't speak for me when you think you speak for "all of us."

    You may be letting Trump drag you down to his level, but I'm not, so you don't speak for "all of us."
    I made an "if", "then" statement.

    If the "if" applies to you, then the "then" applies to you.
     
    We know that the law doesn't allow a numerical limit on the number of people who can apply for asylum, and that any alien physically present in the US has a legal right to claim credible fear.
    Is there a time limit on when they are allowed to apply for said asylum? What if they are put on a list, but just not allowed to stay in the US while they wait? I seem to remember something like that being done before. I don’t know all the ins and outs - and I don’t know how the EO reads.

    I do know we need to streamline the asylum process, but he can’t do that until Congress acts. I also read that they are anticipating a wave of migrants closer to the election, and it wouldn’t surprise me if someone like Stone or Erik Prince would arrange for huge caravans right before the election. Heck, any nation that is antagonistic to the US could do it also to impact the election.

    Biden needs to stay in front of this issue, so Rs cannot exploit it.
     
    Is there a time limit on when they are allowed to apply for said asylum? What if they are put on a list, but just not allowed to stay in the US while they wait? I seem to remember something like that being done before. I don’t know all the ins and outs - and I don’t know how the EO reads.

    I do know we need to streamline the asylum process, but he can’t do that until Congress acts. I also read that they are anticipating a wave of migrants closer to the election, and it wouldn’t surprise me if someone like Stone or Erik Prince would arrange for huge caravans right before the election. Heck, any nation that is antagonistic to the US could do it also to impact the election.

    Biden needs to stay in front of this issue, so Rs cannot exploit it.

    We were only able to make them wait in Mexico legally because of the pandemic emergency.

    Our Asylum laws weren't built for dealing with people claiming Asylum who could walk to the country.

    We need legislation to fix it, that is the only way it can be done legally.

    I don't believe that there is a time limit to when they can apply for Asylum. The reason for that is that you could have a situation, for an example, where someone is here on a student visa for years, and then suddenly the conditions of their home country change, causing them to have a legitimate credible fear of returning.

    This illegal EO isn't going to change anyone's vote.
     
    This illegal EO isn't going to change anyone's vote.
    It isn’t meant to, IMO. It’s meant to stop the GOP from making up a caravan of migrants and terrorizing voters over it right before the election. If it even gets put into practice that is. If it doesn’t - Biden can still point out that he is trying to limit asylum seekers to numbers that won’t overwhelm the system.
     
    I made an "if", "then" statement.

    If the "if" applies to you, then the "then" applies to you.
    In your opinion, Biden has done something "he knows is illegal."

    Based on that opinion of yours, it's also your opinion that anyone who doesn't condemn Biden for doing what "he knows is illegal" is letting Trump drag them down to their level.

    You speak as though your opinion speaks for everyone, it does not. It only speaks for you.

    You speak as if your opinion is an absolute, objective fact. It is not, it's just your opinion.

    Your self-admitted authoritarian leanings are on full display. You are both trying to think and speak for other people. Again, I remind you that you do not.

    I don't agree with your opinions on this issue and I know for a fact that I have not let Trump drag me down to his level. You may have, but I have not.
     
    One thing that's not mentioned around Biden's EO (or maybe I missed it) is the influx of people at the MX border that are not originally from even the American continent, from places that have no direct transportation to MX. People from Africa, Asia, Europe, who already left whatever situation they were in by entering one or more countries on their way to MX.
     
    In your opinion, Biden has done something "he knows is illegal."

    Based on that opinion of yours, it's also your opinion that anyone who doesn't condemn Biden for doing what "he knows is illegal" is letting Trump drag them down to their level.

    You speak as though your opinion speaks for everyone, it does not. It only speaks for you.

    You speak as if your opinion is an absolute, objective fact. It is not, it's just your opinion.

    Your self-admitted authoritarian leanings are on full display. You are both trying to think and speak for other people. Again, I remind you that you do not.

    I don't agree with your opinions on this issue and I know for a fact that I have not let Trump drag me down to his level. You may have, but I have not.
    Biden knows it is illegal.

    I'm sorry that hurts your feelings.
     
    It isn’t meant to, IMO. It’s meant to stop the GOP from making up a caravan of migrants and terrorizing voters over it right before the election. If it even gets put into practice that is. If it doesn’t - Biden can still point out that he is trying to limit asylum seekers to numbers that won’t overwhelm the system.

    Biden is incapable of explaining how successful his current border policy is. That is the problem.
     
    I dunno, I wouldn't exactly call it successful. It's not all good or bad, but successful isn't what comes to mind.
    I was responding to his comment that Biden is incapable of explaining it.
     
    I'm sorry that hurts your feelings.
    My response was completely rational. This response from you is completely emotional. It's something I expect a 12 or 13 year old child to say, not a 46 year old adult.

    Biden knows it is illegal.
    You don't know this. Biden and his legal counsel might have written the executive order in a way they genuinely believe is consistent with the law.

    Has Biden gone on the record saying he knows it's illegal?

    You can't know what Biden knows or thinks. You can only believe you know what Biden knows or thinks.

    You keep stating your opinion as if it is a known fact. Your opinion is not a known fact.
     
    Just saw this. He has a second EO in mind, they are working on it now.

     
    Just saw this. He has a second EO in mind, they are working on it now.


    Here's the thing though. I'm not a fan of the narrative. He should be doing this because it's the right thing to do, not because he wants to shore up his base or whatever.

    I support a path to citizenship for individuals who fit certain criteria, it's the right thing to do.
     

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