Immigration is completely out of control (1 Viewer)

[SystemShock]

A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.

 

[MT15]

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Republican Party should take yes for an answer. By torpedoing the Senate’s bipartisan immigration deal, under pressure from former president Donald Trump to preserve his election-year advantage on a wedge issue, congressional Republicans would blow an opportunity to reduce undocumented immigration and curtail mass crossings at the southern border — along with save Ukraine before it runs out of ammunition.

The 370-page legislative text released Sunday night, promptly declared “dead on arrival” in the House by Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.), emerged from months of substantive discussions and careful compromises by all sides.


Sen. James Lankford (Okla.), the lead Republican negotiator, notes that about 1 million people who crossed the southern border over the past four months would have been deported, rather than released into the United States, if this agreement had been in place.

Limitations on the president’s power to grant humanitarian parole at land borders could stop more than half a million crossings annually, he says.

There’s even $650 million to build a border wall, the sort of funding Democrats forced a 35-day partial federal shutdown to prevent five years ago.

Democrats made concessions under pressure from public opinion: Fresh NBC polling shows Mr. Trump has a 35-point advantage over President Biden on immigration. But this window for dealmaking will close. Even if Republicans controlled the White House and Congress next year, the Senate filibuster would prevent them from having their way on the issue. Democrats will lose any incentive to deal if a president from their party no longer owns this problem.


This supplemental package would fund more than 4,300 new asylum officers and support staff, 100 additional immigration judge teams, 1,500 border patrol agents and customs officers, and 1,200 Immigration and Customs Enforcement staff to help with deportations.

It would also provide detention capacity for 50,000 extra border crossers per year and more deportation flights. It would crack down on dubious asylum claims by raising the evidentiary standard for initiating an application. The bill would also empower asylum officers to rule on the merits of some applications earlier in the process.

Faster processing times would deter migrants: It currently takes about five to seven years to get a final decision on an asylum claim. A majority of applications are ultimately rejected, but in the meantime, these immigrants put down roots that make it harder to remove them.

Adjudicating asylum claims faster would change the calculus for those deciding whether to spend their savings to travel to the United States. If they think they’ll get sent home after 90 days instead of 10 years, they’ll be less likely to embark on the dangerous journey.


The element of the agreement perhaps most misunderstood among Republicans is a Border Emergency Authority that would allow the president to turn away most asylum seekers if more than 5,000 people arrive daily, measured over the course of several days, which has been the case every week but one in the past four months.

This goes further than the Title 42 authorities Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden invoked during the pandemic, restricting migrants who are turned away from reapplying for a year. Practically, this authority would end the migrant caravans.


With all these tough provisions, it will be tempting for some progressives to cave to their left flank and oppose the compromise. They shouldn’t.

Democrats got several important sweeteners. The bill creates a new temporary visa to allow non-citizens to visit family in the United States, a pathway to citizenship for the children of H-1B visa holders and an additional 250,000 new family and work visas over the next five years — raising the cap for the first time in three decades.

The Border Emergency Authority sunsets after three years. The bill would provide government-mandated lawyers for all unaccompanied migrants 13 years old and under to help them navigate the system and offers $350 million to pay for it. Instead of getting rid of humanitarian parole altogether, the president would still be able to use parole at airports……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/05/border-deal-immigration-senate-republicans/

 

[Lapaz]

Nice talking points especially when the left has said there wasnt a crisis at the border the last 3 years until they needed money for Ukraine.

There has been building problem. It wasn't a crisis 3 years ago. It started getting worse after Covid. The left has realized this, and wants to take action to remedy the abuses of the asylum system. The Trump right wing does not want to fix the problem. They are hypocrites.

 

[Lapaz]

The Republican Party should take yes for an answer. By torpedoing the Senate’s bipartisan immigration deal, under pressure from former president Donald Trump to preserve his election-year advantage on a wedge issue, congressional Republicans would blow an opportunity to reduce undocumented immigration and curtail mass crossings at the southern border — along with save Ukraine before it runs out of ammunition.

The 370-page legislative text released Sunday night, promptly declared “dead on arrival” in the House by Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.), emerged from months of substantive discussions and careful compromises by all sides.


Sen. James Lankford (Okla.), the lead Republican negotiator, notes that about 1 million people who crossed the southern border over the past four months would have been deported, rather than released into the United States, if this agreement had been in place.

Limitations on the president’s power to grant humanitarian parole at land borders could stop more than half a million crossings annually, he says.

There’s even $650 million to build a border wall, the sort of funding Democrats forced a 35-day partial federal shutdown to prevent five years ago.

Democrats made concessions under pressure from public opinion: Fresh NBC polling shows Mr. Trump has a 35-point advantage over President Biden on immigration. But this window for dealmaking will close. Even if Republicans controlled the White House and Congress next year, the Senate filibuster would prevent them from having their way on the issue. Democrats will lose any incentive to deal if a president from their party no longer owns this problem.


This supplemental package would fund more than 4,300 new asylum officers and support staff, 100 additional immigration judge teams, 1,500 border patrol agents and customs officers, and 1,200 Immigration and Customs Enforcement staff to help with deportations.

It would also provide detention capacity for 50,000 extra border crossers per year and more deportation flights. It would crack down on dubious asylum claims by raising the evidentiary standard for initiating an application. The bill would also empower asylum officers to rule on the merits of some applications earlier in the process.

Faster processing times would deter migrants: It currently takes about five to seven years to get a final decision on an asylum claim. A majority of applications are ultimately rejected, but in the meantime, these immigrants put down roots that make it harder to remove them.

Adjudicating asylum claims faster would change the calculus for those deciding whether to spend their savings to travel to the United States. If they think they’ll get sent home after 90 days instead of 10 years, they’ll be less likely to embark on the dangerous journey.


The element of the agreement perhaps most misunderstood among Republicans is a Border Emergency Authority that would allow the president to turn away most asylum seekers if more than 5,000 people arrive daily, measured over the course of several days, which has been the case every week but one in the past four months.

This goes further than the Title 42 authorities Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden invoked during the pandemic, restricting migrants who are turned away from reapplying for a year. Practically, this authority would end the migrant caravans.


With all these tough provisions, it will be tempting for some progressives to cave to their left flank and oppose the compromise. They shouldn’t.

Democrats got several important sweeteners. The bill creates a new temporary visa to allow non-citizens to visit family in the United States, a pathway to citizenship for the children of H-1B visa holders and an additional 250,000 new family and work visas over the next five years — raising the cap for the first time in three decades.

The Border Emergency Authority sunsets after three years. The bill would provide government-mandated lawyers for all unaccompanied migrants 13 years old and under to help them navigate the system and offers $350 million to pay for it. Instead of getting rid of humanitarian parole altogether, the president would still be able to use parole at airports……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/05/border-deal-immigration-senate-republicans/

That's a great perspective. I suppose Republicans may think that they'll just change the filibuster rule and ram whatever they want through. I'm not sure what else the Republicans want that isn't already in the bill. Do you suppose maybe they want the threshold to shut down the border to be closer to 0?

 

[SaintForLife]

MAGA cannot stop lying about the bill, all in service to Trump, the liar in chief. He has made the GOP in his image (liars, pro-Putin, personal power over country, immoral and unethical).

A brand new right to legal representation for all immigrants

 

[MT15]

A brand new right to legal representation for all immigrants

Tax-payer funded. Hawkey lied and said the bill provides tax-payer funded lawyers for all. The bill only says unaccompanied children will have tax-payer funded lawyers provided. It says others have the right to have a lawyer represent them, but does NOT say that taxpayers will foot the bill.

This is basic reading comprehension SFL. Come on. Quit supporting liars.

 

[MT15]

SFL: quit repeating GOP lies about this bill

 

[SaintForLife]

There has been building problem. It wasn't a crisis 3 years ago. It started getting worse after Covid. The left has realized this, and wants to take action to remedy the abuses of the asylum system. The Trump right wing does not want to fix the problem. They are hypocrites.

 

[MT15]

So? His policies have been the normal policies that are outlined by US law. So his actions have been that of following current US laws on immigration. He has now promised to sign a bill that will correct the abuse of the asylum system, and greatly cut down the time required to hear asylum cases from years to days. A bill endorsed by the Border Patrol Union. A bill that was negotiated in a bipartisan fashion by one of the most conservative R Senators.

When Trump says something inflammatory you say don’t believe his rhetoric he won’t actually do it. Do you not employ the same standard here?

Honestly, this is one of the worst cases of you merely regurgitating Trump lies. You keep posting lies about the bill.

 

[SaintForLife]

SFL: quit repeating GOP lies about this bill

Do you think the Border Patrol Union supporting the bill somehow negates the parts of the law that's receiving criticism?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

It's hard to take people seriously who don't think we should deport illegal immigrants who are drunk drivers.

Many Republicans who claim to want to fix the border are full of shirt and want the illegals in for cheap labor.

Democrats want them here for votes for whenever they get amnesty passed.

There are very few members of Congress who actually want to fix the border/immigration.

hell, we treat drunk driving here like a misdomeaner, especially if you have the money, they'll just toss it out like nothing ever happened. You want to deport people over drunk driving when its treated less severe than jaywalking.. but the Drunk driving is irrelevent to be deported or not deported.
I personally know 2 people that have 5 DUIs and never did a day in jail. Heck, my wifes cousin had 2 DUIs, never lost his DL, and a couple years later hes a police officer.

My cousin has a good friend who is from Mexico, here legally. His brother is not here legally. The brother has been deported mulriple times. He says he just gets a fake DL and drives right back accross the border. Now that was like 10 years ago, maybe things have changed, but i doubt it..

 

[SaintForLife]

Tax-payer funded. Hawkey lied and said the bill provides tax-payer funded lawyers for all. The bill only says unaccompanied children will have tax-payer funded lawyers provided. It says others have the right to have a lawyer represent them, but does NOT say that taxpayers will foot the bill.

This is basic reading comprehension SFL. Come on. Quit supporting liars.

I know you can read and Hawley said:

Did I mention this border bill gives taxpayer funded lawyers to illegal immigrants.

Hawley didn't say all illegal immigrants. Murphy said it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

A brand new right to legal representation for all immigrants

Do you even read the things you post? It clearly says two things:

1. The right to legal representation for all immigrants.

2. Taxpayer-funded lawyers for young unaccompanied minors.

Do you understand that these are two separate things?

 

[SaintForLife]

hell, we treat drunk driving here like a misdomeaner, especially if you have the money, they'll just toss it out like nothing ever happened. You want to deport people over drunk driving when its treated less severe than jaywalking.. but the Drunk driving is irrelevent to be deported or not deported.
I personally know 2 people that have 5 DUIs and never did a day in jail. Heck, my wifes cousin had 2 DUIs, never lost his DL, and a couple years later hes a police officer.

Yes, people who are here illegally and commit crimes shouldn't be allowed in the country or they should be deported.

My cousin has a good friend who is from Mexico, here legally. His brother is not here legally. The brother has been deported mulriple times. He says he just gets a fake DL and drives right back accross the border. Now that was like 10 years ago, maybe things have changed, but i doubt it..

Oh okay

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I know you can read and Hawley said:

Did I mention this border bill gives taxpayer funded lawyers to illegal immigrants.

Hawley didn't say all illegal immigrants. Murphy said it.

Murphy didn't say it either. Can you genuinely not tell the difference between a right given to an entire group of people and a separate service given to a subset of that group?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Do you even read the things you post? It clearly says two things:

1. The right to legal representation for all immigrants.

2. Taxpayer-funded lawyers for young unaccompanied minors.

Do you understand that these are two separate things?

The answer is always 100% no... lol

i know your question was rhetorical, but i couldn't resist.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Oh okay

oh okay

 

[SaintForLife]

The Biden Administration gives NGOs millions to help facilitate the invasion of illegal immigrants.


AUSTIN, Texas — As the Center for Immigration Studies recently reported, a United Nations-led “Regional Refugee and Migrant Response Plan (RMRP)” calls for more than 200 nonprofit groups to dole out $1.6 billion in cash debit cards, food, clothing, medical treatment, shelter, and even “humanitarian transportation” during 2024 to millions of U.S.-bound immigrants in 17 Latin American nations and Mexico.

But suspicions that the administration of President Joe Biden is directly footing the bill for at least part of facilitating the most voluminous mass migration crisis in U.S. history, now in its fourth straight year, can now be confirmed.

A follow-up CIS examination of the more than 30 faith-based nonprofits among those UN NGO partners — representing Jewish, Lutheran, Seventh Day Adventist, Catholic, and nondenominational evangelical organizations — shows that the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM) and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) have been mainlining taxpayer funds to these groups, which then distribute them to keep hundreds of thousands of migrants comfortably moving toward illegal U.S. southern border crossings.

Record Taxpayer Support of UN Spearheading Agencies

UN budget documents, federal grant-tracking databases, and other public sources show that the State Department’s PRM and USAID also have poured taxpayer money into at least the other religion-oriented NGOs that CIS selected for examination, including Catholic, Lutheran, and Seventh Day Adventist groups. The list of participating NGOs comes from the UN’s 2023-2024 Regional Refugee and Migrant Response Plan (RMRP), which lists more than 200 of the groups on p. 268.

The Center for Immigration Studies has exported that list here to make it available for further public study. Another 20 new NGO groups signed on for the coming year, although they are not readily identified.

But the State Department and USAID also sent historic volumes of cash to the Latin America project’s main United Nations overseers, which also pass that aid straight to migrants: the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and the International Organization of Migration (IOM).

The State Department’s PRM and USAID have given IOM $1.4 billion in just the last 12 months, by far the most on record, according to USAspending.gov, a database that tracks federal spending. PRM is also the biggest donor to UNHCR, which is among 15 different UN agencies that will spread money and aid all along the migrant trails of Latin America. This is part and parcel of a State Department agreement to a “2023-2025 Framework for Cooperation” with the UNHCR to pay into the effort and to politically support its goals. The State Department openly acknowledges issuing guidance to field staff on budget and planning coordination for the Latin American effort, and it has turned over operation of major U.S. government policy initiatives in Latin America, such as an expansion of “refugee” centers and management of a no-interest “international travel loan” programs.

The State Department’s PRM, USAID, and UN agencies all see this straight-line pass-through of American taxpayer assistance with “multilateral organizations” as “social and economic protection and risk reduction” for vulnerable stateless people “forced” to flee home countries, as the 2023 PRM grant to HIAS put it.

Biden Admin. Sends Millions to Religious Nonprofits Facilitating Mass Illegal Migration

An examination of the more than 30 faith-based nonprofits among those UN NGO partners show taxpayer funds have been distributed to these groups.

cis.org