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    A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

    Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

    It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

    Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

    Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

    Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

    Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

    And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.
     
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but there weren't many immigration laws back then and currently we have clearly defined immigration laws.

    Do you think we should follow our immigration laws or just ignore them because we feel bad for the immigrants? Should anyone who wants to come to the US be allowed in?
    The thing is we are following the laws. Those crossing illegally are being processed and sent back -- some are being sent back IMMEDIATELY without even being processed (Title 42 -- about 30-45% of all encounters). Those that are processed are held temporarily and the majority of those are refused entry, thus deported as well. To do otherwise would actually be illegal. Of course, you don't care about that kind of illegal thing because that is what you want to happen.
     
    I agree with this letter from Pritzker. Abbott is a monster.


    How is that any different from Biden flying the immigrants to different parts of the country?

    Illinois is a sanctuary state and they prohibit local law enforcement from participating in immigration enforcement.

    Gov. Pritzker Signs Legislation Further Establishing Illinois as the Most Welcoming State in the Nation

    Now they don't want to be the most welcoming state when they are sent a small fraction of what Texas deals with? Oh well. They should deal with the consequences of the policies they advocate.
     
    Illinois is a sanctuary state and they prohibit local law enforcement from participating in immigration enforcement.
    That’s not what a sanctuary state means. From what I have read, a sanctuary state means that if an undocumented person is the victim of a crime, they can report the crime without fear of deportation. It’s a human rights issue.

    So you are trying to tell me you cannot tell the difference between these 2 scenarios:

    1. Arranging for transport of migrants to areas with room to handle them with full disclosure and support of the receiving faciilites.

    2. Surreptitiously transporting migrants, sometimes against their will or by deceiving them about their destination. Dropping them off in freezing cold conditions in light clothing and flip flops in the middle of the night without any notification, and in remote areas where they will be far from people who can help them.

    you think these are the same? It’s a yes or no question.
     
    That’s not what a sanctuary state means. From what I have read, a sanctuary state means that if an undocumented person is the victim of a crime, they can report the crime without fear of deportation. It’s a human rights issue.
    Springfield, IL – With the surge in migrants coming to Illinois, State Representative C.D. Davidsmeyer (R-Murrayville) has filed legislation to repeal the TRUST Act, ending Illinois’ status as a sanctuary state for undocumented immigrants. The Illinois TRUST Act, enacted in 2017, made Illinois a sanctuary state for undocumented immigrants. The TRUST Act prohibits local law enforcement in Illinois from participating in immigration enforcement.

    So you are trying to tell me you cannot tell the difference between these 2 scenarios:

    1. Arranging for transport of migrants to areas with room to handle them with full disclosure and support of the receiving faciilites.

    2. Surreptitiously transporting migrants, sometimes against their will or by deceiving them about their destination. Dropping them off in freezing cold conditions in light clothing and flip flops in the middle of the night without any notification, and in remote areas where they will be far from people who can help them.

    you think these are the same? It’s a yes or no question.
    You can look at how you described each scenario to see which actions you support. You used adjectives and emotion to describe #2, but your description of #1 is as innocuous as possible. Obvious partisan spin.

    They both are sending immigrants to other parts of the country. Do you think all the places that the Biden Administration is sending the immigrants want them and the costs of dealing with them?

    It's about time that the states and cities that support open borders get to deal with the consequences of their policies. Those cities have gotten a fraction of the immigrants that the border states deal with, but they are begging the federal government for help.
     
    Springfield, IL – With the surge in migrants coming to Illinois, State Representative C.D. Davidsmeyer (R-Murrayville) has filed legislation to repeal the TRUST Act, ending Illinois’ status as a sanctuary state for undocumented immigrants. The Illinois TRUST Act, enacted in 2017, made Illinois a sanctuary state for undocumented immigrants. The TRUST Act prohibits local law enforcement in Illinois from participating in immigration enforcement.


    You can look at how you described each scenario to see which actions you support. You used adjectives and emotion to describe #2, but your description of #1 is as innocuous as possible. Obvious partisan spin.

    They both are sending immigrants to other parts of the country. Do you think all the places that the Biden Administration is sending the immigrants want them and the costs of dealing with them?

    It's about time that the states and cities that support open borders get to deal with the consequences of their policies. Those cities have gotten a fraction of the immigrants that the border states deal with, but they are begging the federal government for help.
    What Abbott is doing is sickening. Nothing I said was false. He is doing exactly what I said he was.

    So your answer is no. You think it’s fine what Abbott is doing.

    Do you also support his order to not let the Border Patrol save drowning women and children? Because a woman and her two children just drowned because of Abbott. What does supporting that feel like?
     
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    This is what happens when propaganda is used to stoke hate. This is exactly how regular people become capable of doing monstrous things. Or approving of monstrous acts. Abbott’s guys at the border refused to help a drowning mother and her two children even though the US Border Patrol informed them there were people in the water that were in trouble. And when someone on Twitter mentions it MAGA hate spills out. I’m sickened by this. I don’t know how anyone can support this.

     
    You can look at how you described each scenario to see which actions you support. You used adjectives and emotion to describe #2, but your description of #1 is as innocuous as possible. Obvious partisan spin.

    "Surreptitiously transporting migrants, sometimes against their will or by deceiving them about their destination. Dropping them off in freezing cold conditions in light clothing and flip flops in the middle of the night without any notification, and in remote areas where they will be far from people who can help them."

    Were migrants transported surreptitiously? Were they ever transported against their will or convinced through deception? Was it cold? Were they dressed inappropriately for the weather? Was it in the middle of the night? Were they dropped off in remote areas?

    If the answer to any of these questions is yes, then it's not emotion, it's fact.

    As for adjectives, a quick count (and I admit it's late) shows that there are more adjectives per word in the first statement than the second, so...
     



    Full post:

    NEW: The Texas Military Department has released a statement denying TX Congressman @RepCuellar’s claim that TX soldiers blocked Border Patrol from rescuing drowning migrants and refused to offer assistance themselves near Shelby Park in Eagle Pass.

    FULL STATEMENT:

    “The Texas Military Department is aware of a social media post concerning the drownings of 3 migrants.

    TMD was contacted by Border Patrol at approximately 9:00pm in reference to a migrant distress situation. TMD had a unit in the vicinity of the boat ramp and actively searched the river with lights and night vision goggles. No migrants were observed.

    At approximately 9:45pm TMD observed a group of Mexican authorities responding to an incident on the Mexico-side of the river bank. TMD reported their observations back to Border Patrol and they confirmed that the Mexican authorities required no additional assistance. At that time TMD ceased search operations.

    At no time did TMD security personnel along the river observe any distressed migrants, nor did TMD turn back any illegal immigrants from the US during this period. Also, at no point was TMD made aware of any bodies in the area of Shelby Park nor was TMD made aware of any bodies being discovered on the U.S. side of the border regarding this situation.

    TMD maintains water rescue equipment and actively works with local EMS to aid migrants in need of medical care.”
     
    SFL: you will notice that the statement from TX doesn’t actually dispute what the Congressman’s statement alleges. Read his statement, then read the TX one.

    It took them a while to even come up with that weak statement. How easy and convenient for them to say “we looked, we just didn’t see anybody”. All the while stating to the border patrol that they wouldn’t grant them access even if they were drowning. Something that would check that - can they point to any occasions where they did provide aid to migrants in trouble? Any?

    You can certainly believe what you want. I don’t happen to think TX should be interfering with the Border Patrol along the border.
     
    this is from NBC reporting.

    “The Department of Homeland Security on Saturday criticized Abbott’s policies as beyond everyday politics.

    “The Texas governor’s policies are cruel, dangerous, and inhumane, and Texas’s blatant disregard for federal authority over immigration poses grave risks,” it said. “The State of Texas should stop interfering with the U.S. Border Patrol’s enforcement of U.S. law.”

    A CBP spokesperson expressed a similar sentiment Saturday: “We are saddened by tragic migrant drownings in Eagle Pass. We remain gravely concerned by actions that prevent the U.S. Border Patrol from performing their essential missions of arresting individuals who enter the United States unlawfully and providing humanitarian response to individuals in need.””
     
    Putting this here because a lot of migrants are fleeing Guatemala. Isn’t there a law against conducting a shadow foreign policy?

     
    GOP just flat out telling us they don’t want to solve any border issues until there is a Republican in the WH. So it must not be the horrible crisis they’ve been bleating about, huh?

     

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