Have democrats become the anti police and anti law party ? (3 Viewers)

[the annoying thing]

Have Democrats turned into the anti-police party?

You need not look further than Democrat candidates for president to see that their party is one in which law and order place second fiddle to scoring votes.

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

When you look at how Biden's allowing in terrorist and felons from around the world and how democrat support illegal drug use and are soft on crime its makes you wonder what is wrong with them.

 

[bird]

Yeah, I know. I just wish there was someone on the democrats side who could get the facts out in front of the public. I suppose those who are super invested in this false narrative would never see the explainer though.

Facts are irrelevant, unfortunately. Critical thinking in the aggregate has been dead in this country almost from the founding.

 

[coldseat]

Democrats made it especially easy for Republicans here, set it up on a tee. It is what it is, would almost be political *malpractice (more correct term than 'malfeasance' I originally used) at this point for Republicans not to hit Democrats over the head with it.

The fault doesn't lie with Democrats, it lies with the American public. If the American populace isn't savvy enough or doesn't have the critical thinking skill required to see past Republican messaging (like people on this board have been able to do), then it doesn't really matter what the Democrats messaging is.

Pundits and Independents always want to blame Democrats when Republicans do what they've always done and the American populace continues to fall for it. Fool me once, that's on you, fool me twice, that's on me. Well, at this point the American populace have been fooled by Republican messaging countless time. The blame lies with the populace and we are reaping the rewards of that ignorance.

 

[bdb13]

The fault doesn't lie with Democrats, it lies with the American public. If the American populace isn't savvy enough or doesn't have the critical thinking skill required to see past Republican messaging (like people on this board have been able to do), then it doesn't really matter what the Democrats messaging is.

Pundits and Independents always want to blame Democrats when Republicans do what they've always done and the American populace continues to fall for it. Fool me once, that's on you, fool me twice, that's on me. Well, at this point the American populace have been fooled by Republican messaging countless time. The blame lies with the populace and we are reaping the rewards of that ignorance.

Voters are stupid and politicians should know that as well, which is why a blatantly divisive slogan like 'Defund the Police' should have never been used as a sort of catch-all to then be politicized.

Dumbassed politics by a few here has made it easy here for Republicans to slap Democrats as a whole with this.

 

[The moose]

The fault doesn't lie with Democrats, it lies with the American public. If the American populace isn't savvy enough or doesn't have the critical thinking skill required to see past Republican messaging (like people on this board have been able to do), then it doesn't really matter what the Democrats messaging is.

Pundits and Independents always want to blame Democrats when Republicans do what they've always done and the American populace continues to fall for it. Fool me once, that's on you, fool me twice, that's on me. Well, at this point the American populace have been fooled by Republican messaging countless time. The blame lies with the populace and we are reaping the rewards of that ignorance.

Well I would think the removal of the fairness doctrine has a ton to do with how we as Americans get information and process it. Even long before the place we are in now that screwed the pooch. It allowed Fox and am talkshows to even exist like they do.

Ronald Reagan is responsible for the shirt show we live in now. He appointed three of the FCC commissioners of the four that took it away.

I would like to think that Americans given both sides of an issue could then make their own minds up. When that has not been done since the 80s Americans are extremely out of practice hearing both sides even. Now they don't want to even hear them.

That is the true reason we are where we are now.

The irony in all of it it was put into law after realizing how the Nazis took over Germany.

Look where we are now Jan 6th and all.

 

[SFIDC3]

Dumbassed politics by a few here has made it easy here for Republicans to slap Democrats as a whole with this.

I give you Terry McAuwfal, who managed to lose the VA gov race despite Biden carrying the state easily....what an arrogant moron that guy is....

 

[bdb13]

I give you Terry McAuwfal, who managed to lose the VA gov race despite Biden carrying the state easily....what an arrogant moron that guy is....

I mean shirt.. here's Cori Bush as recently as this past August on freakin' CBS explicitly saying "defund the police must happen.. we need to defund the police," while in the course of defending her own hiring of private security.



I'm pretty sure the Republicans in Virginia were not very upset to have had a Democratic representative give them that to work with heading into their gubernatorial election.

 

[The moose]

I give you Terry McAuwfal, who managed to lose the VA gov race despite Biden carrying the state easily....what an arrogant moron that guy is....

I think he was not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. If the states rubes can be driven out in force because of CRT not much can be done to fix the lack of education problems in the past in a couple weeks.

Yes he lost but you know what when a new party takes the White House you always get the exact opposite. Have not done the research but I would bet that state has always done exactly that voted in the opposite of the white house.

 

[bdb13]

I think he was not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. If the states rubes can be driven out in force because of CRT not much can be done to fix the lack of education problems in the past in a couple weeks.

Yes he lost but you know what when a new party takes the White House you always get the exact opposite. Have not done the research but I would bet that state has always done exactly that voted in the opposite of the white house.

I don't know about prior, but Virginia had been a Democratic governor since 2008.

 

[bdb13]

I don't know about prior, but Virginia had been a Democratic governor since 2008.

And I'm actually incorrect on that.. had been Democrat since 2014.

 

[coldseat]

I mean shirt.. here's Cori Bush as recently as this past August on freakin' CBS explicitly saying "defund the police must happen.. we need to defund the police," while in the course of defending her own hiring of private security.



I'm pretty sure the Republicans in Virginia were not very upset to have had a Democratic representative give them that to work with heading into their gubernatorial election.

Defund the Police came out of the BLM protest after Floyd's murder. That's also where Cory Bush's political assent came from, so it would make since that she would carry that message and believe it. Either way, that's not where the party is as a whole nor where the standard bearer, Biden, is. But that's what I mean by an easily taken public. If the American populace can't see where the Dem party is as a whole and see past Republican messaging, then it doesn't really matter what Democratic messaging is.

But let's unpack "Defund the Police" for a second. All that it is, is a phrase. It's a phrase that for most that used it, meant to not just solve crime by pumping money into police budgets, but to invest in mental health and other community efforts that have shown to lower crime beyond just policing. Basically, to make communities more holistically healthy. Now, how you actually do that was very varied and we never actually saw it implemented anywhere that I can think of. Yet, that is what Republicans are blaming for the recent violent crime wave, not the fact that every American has and abundance of guns to kill with. Which is a problem we know we actually have and that nothing has been done to address because of Republican opposition.

That's what I mean by an American populace that isn't able to critically think through these issues. We get the ignorance in policy, government and law that we vote for because as a populace, we're easily taken by messaging from an RNC that is only out to pursue power.

 

[MT15]

I found this short Twitter thread to be on point:

 

[SFIDC3]

I think he was not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. If the states rubes can be driven out in force because of CRT not much can be done to fix the lack of education problems in the past in a couple weeks.

Yes he lost but you know what when a new party takes the White House you always get the exact opposite. Have not done the research but I would bet that state has always done exactly that voted in the opposite of the white house.

I disagree, McAwful was way ahead at one point, he used the Hillary strategy and it...once again...backfired. And his arrogance cost him, of course parents shouldn't guide a school's curriculum but you don't say it out loud in an antagonistic manner....what a moron....

 

[The moose]

I disagree, McAwful was way ahead at one point, he used the Hillary strategy and it...once again...backfired. And his arrogance cost him, of course parents shouldn't guide a school's curriculum but you don't say it out loud in an antagonistic manner....what a moron....

Rubes we're gonna vote him out no matter what he said and when.

You are kidding yourself if you think it had a darn thing to do with anything but the gun legislation they passed while in power. CRT or anything else was just to get more people riled up that don't care so much about guns.

He is the guy that was taking gun rights away. He was the guy that tried to limit you to one hand gun per month. That dirty bastage!

 

[Otis Mayfield]

That whole "defund the police" was a stupid thing to say and it cost Democrats a lot of votes.

Even poor people living in the worst neighborhoods want to keep the police. Cops are the thin blue line that protects them from utter chaos.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

That whole "defund the police" was a stupid thing to say and it cost Democrats a lot of votes.

Even poor people living in the worst neighborhoods want to keep the police. Cops are the thin blue line that protects them from utter chaos.

Basically what coldseat said:

"7 myths about “defunding the police” debunked
Howard Henderson Wednesday, May 19, 2021

Policing in the U.S. is a highly politicized issue with a history intertwined with racial and class-based struggle. During the summer of 2020, no issue was debated more than the subject of defunding the police. The phrase “defund the police” (DTP) became a rallying cry for the progressive left. Yet, while the movement gained considerable news coverage, the two major political parties, media, and major presidential candidates labeled defunding the police as an unrealistic demand.

This mischaracterization of the movement is not based on fact but rather fear. In this article, we address seven common myths associated with the campaign with the goal to demonstrate that while some have labeled it a radical movement, the DTP philosophy is based on well-researched, evidence-based positions.

Myth #1: Defund Means Abolish

One of the most misleading critiques of the movement is instigating defund means abolish. Opposers claim the movement undermines public safety through its efforts to end policing. The truth: the movement seeks to demilitarize police departments and reallocate funding to trained mental health workers and social workers to reduce unnecessary violent encounters between police and citizens. At least 13 cities in the United States have currently engaged in policy programs to defund the police.

Myth #2: Defunding Will Lead to Disorder

Another misconception is that police forces are what maintains order. However, studies have found that the best tools to establish peaceful societies are equity in education and infrastructure. Indeed, research shows that lack of education and illiteracy are some of the most significant predictors of future prison populations.

Myth #3: Police Protect the Public From Violence

Critics of the police movement assert that we need heavily funded and armed police forces to protect the public from violent criminal elements. However, there isn’t sufficient data to support that position. In fact, research has found that the police don’t have a notoriously efficient track record of solving violent crime. Further, what the research does show is that 70% of robberies, 66% of rapes, 47% of aggravated assaults, and 38% of murders go unsolved each year. "

7 myths about "defunding the police" debunked

Howard Henderson and Ben Yisrael argue that far from being a radical movement, 'defund the police" is a well-researched, evidence-based policy proven to save lives and reduce a reliance on law-and-order policing.

www.brookings.edu

 

[The moose]

Basically what coldseat said:

"7 myths about “defunding the police” debunked
Howard Henderson Wednesday, May 19, 2021

Policing in the U.S. is a highly politicized issue with a history intertwined with racial and class-based struggle. During the summer of 2020, no issue was debated more than the subject of defunding the police. The phrase “defund the police” (DTP) became a rallying cry for the progressive left. Yet, while the movement gained considerable news coverage, the two major political parties, media, and major presidential candidates labeled defunding the police as an unrealistic demand.

This mischaracterization of the movement is not based on fact but rather fear. In this article, we address seven common myths associated with the campaign with the goal to demonstrate that while some have labeled it a radical movement, the DTP philosophy is based on well-researched, evidence-based positions.

Myth #1: Defund Means Abolish

One of the most misleading critiques of the movement is instigating defund means abolish. Opposers claim the movement undermines public safety through its efforts to end policing. The truth: the movement seeks to demilitarize police departments and reallocate funding to trained mental health workers and social workers to reduce unnecessary violent encounters between police and citizens. At least 13 cities in the United States have currently engaged in policy programs to defund the police.

Myth #2: Defunding Will Lead to Disorder

Another misconception is that police forces are what maintains order. However, studies have found that the best tools to establish peaceful societies are equity in education and infrastructure. Indeed, research shows that lack of education and illiteracy are some of the most significant predictors of future prison populations.

Myth #3: Police Protect the Public From Violence

Critics of the police movement assert that we need heavily funded and armed police forces to protect the public from violent criminal elements. However, there isn’t sufficient data to support that position. In fact, research has found that the police don’t have a notoriously efficient track record of solving violent crime. Further, what the research does show is that 70% of robberies, 66% of rapes, 47% of aggravated assaults, and 38% of murders go unsolved each year. "

Exactly.

Defunding is for funding other people to take the load off of them. The most dangerous thing an officer can do is go to fighting couples home. What should be done is education and mental health help. Locking up poor people with drinking or drug problems just gives them less money in fines. It fixes no problems just makes them.

I have lived in new Orleans most of my life and am white and I also understand that when you call the cops you now have two problems to solve and the city will want some money from you. I don't call them unless I have to have a report.

Two years ago my trailer full of everything I use to make a living was stolen from my house. Nobody ever showed up. Waited all day. They call me back the next day for serial numbers on about twenty things and trailer information. Two block from my house is a city camera nobody looked at it. Never got any information about the 35k worth of tools that got stolen. Saw someone with my trailer a few months later. Followed them until they were home. Called the law. No serial number or tag on it any longer would not do a forking thing. Would not look for any of my tools on property because I couldn't prove it was mine. Would not even take it from them because it had a obviously removed serial and no tag. Guess what it was the last day it was on that property.

So when I reported it for insurance had to call them back numerous times to get the report then everything I told them about was not listed. Oh and my insurance went way up.

Now my neighbors suck they did nothing they cut locks off fence and trailer, backed over eighty feet down a drive and hooked up to it at night. Was visiting my dad's good friend in the hospital and wife was working nights at that time. Would have left my dogs in the yard but had a problem with them.

A year before that was working on my truck with my Sheppard in the drive with me. Stray pit showed up and got in a fight with my dog. Got the crud bit out of me called the cops and SPCA. They did not find the other dog but since my dogs were not fixed I had to get mine fixed because he got into a fight in his side yard.

So that cost me a hospital bill for me and my dog, fines from the city and vet bills to get two dogs fixed or the SPCA was gonna take them from me.

Like I said two problems.

 

[SystemShock]

Defund the Police came out of the BLM protest after Floyd's murder. That's also where Cory Bush's political assent came from, so it would make since that she would carry that message and believe it. Either way, that's not where the party is as a whole nor where the standard bearer, Biden, is. But that's what I mean by an easily taken public. If the American populace can't see where the Dem party is as a whole and see past Republican messaging, then it doesn't really matter what Democratic messaging is.

But let's unpack "Defund the Police" for a second. All that it is, is a phrase. It's a phrase that for most that used it, meant to not just solve crime by pumping money into police budgets, but to invest in mental health and other community efforts that have shown to lower crime beyond just policing. Basically, to make communities more holistically healthy. Now, how you actually do that was very varied and we never actually saw it implemented anywhere that I can think of. Yet, that is what Republicans are blaming for the recent violent crime wave, not the fact that every American has and abundance of guns to kill with. Which is a problem we know we actually have and that nothing has been done to address because of Republican opposition.

That's what I mean by an American populace that isn't able to critically think through these issues. We get the ignorance in policy, government and law that we vote for because as a populace, we're easily taken by messaging from an RNC that is only out to pursue power.

Sure, the American populace isn't able to think critically, but what does that say about the politicians who come up with stupid slogans like "defund the police" to send messages to the American populace that has nothing to do with what they want accomplished? And it is a stupid slogan. There aren't that many meanings associated with the word "defund"... really only one: to withdraw funding from.

It makes it worse to libsplain "defund" as "give money".

"Reform the police" would have been a better slogan... and even that doesn't reflect investing in mental health and other community efforts... but since we traded bumpers stickers for hashtags...

The one thing that Democrats need to learn: don't preach to the choir, remember what you are fighting against.

 

[coldseat]

Sure, the American populace isn't able to think critically, but what does that say about the politicians who come up with stupid slogans like "defund the police" to send messages to the American populace that has nothing to do with what they want accomplished? And it is a stupid slogan. There aren't that many meanings associated with the word "defund"... really only one: to withdraw funding from.

It makes it worse to libsplain "defund" as "give money".

"Reform the police" would have been a slogan... and even that doesn't reflect investing in mental health and other community efforts... but since we traded bumpers stickers for hashtags...

The one thing that Democrats need to learn: don't preach to the choir, remember who you are fighting against.

That's fair, but again, democratic politicians didn't come up with that slogan. That came out of the BLM protest.

Of course, the politicians that support the message did adopt the slogan. And at least on Bush's case, still actively taking about it. Biden always opposed it, I assume for the reasons you stated. So maybe the progressives should have rebranded.