Have democrats become the anti police and anti law party ? (2 Viewers)

[the annoying thing]

Have Democrats turned into the anti-police party?

You need not look further than Democrat candidates for president to see that their party is one in which law and order place second fiddle to scoring votes.

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

When you look at how Biden's allowing in terrorist and felons from around the world and how democrat support illegal drug use and are soft on crime its makes you wonder what is wrong with them.

 

[SystemShock]

You called my writing silly,

Because it is.

My only point was that it doesn’t have to be the equipment that causes a military outlook.

That is what militarization of the police is: equipment and tactical training, none of which make police abuse civilians.

 

[MT15]

Go back to ignoring me, SS. You can be such as butt crevasse. It’s possible to disagree with people without demeaning them. Well, its possible for most, I should say.

 

[SystemShock]

We should certainly be defunding the militarization of the police, especially given all the FBI and DHS reports of white supremacist/nationalist infiltration of law enforcement.

Do you think white supremacists are going to start an armed revolution with their police equipment? Or create tactical death squads that will roam the cities at night eliminating minorities?

As if they could not get weapons from other sources other than their traceable police equipment.

 

[SystemShock]

Go back to ignoring me, SS. You can be such as butt crevasse. It’s possible to disagree with people without demeaning them. Well, its possible for most, I should say.

How am I demeaning you?
And thank you for the name calling. Always appreciated.

I again will suggest, perhaps you don't want to reply to my posts.

 

[H B Lowrey]

Do you think white supremacists are going to start an armed revolution with their police equipment? Or create tactical death squads that will roam the cities at night eliminating minorities?

As if they could not get weapons from other sources other than their traceable police equipment.

So ignore the reports? That's your argument? I'm sure they will, america is awash in guns and racists.

 

[H B Lowrey]

None of which has anything to do with the militarization of police.

The police do not need to be militarized to foster an "us vs them" mentality. That "us vs them" mentality within police departments has been around long before the militarization of the police, as in police departments getting military grade equipment and tactical training after high profile shootouts.


Why would I think that to be silly, lol?

Why don't you just state what you think then.

 

[H B Lowrey]

Because it is.


That is what militarization of the police is: equipment and tactical training, none of which make police abuse civilians.

Right, it weaponizes them to do so.

 

[MT15]

How am I demeaning you?
And thank you for the name calling. Always appreciated.

I again will suggest, perhaps you don't want to reply to my posts.

Why is what I said name calling you but what you said was not? Hint: it’s essentially the same thing.

I got irritated for two reasons. First, I wasn‘t actually replying to you specifically so much as musing out loud about a point you made. Second, you got personal (in my perception) in your reply.

If you don’t agree with me that’s fine, you don’t need to make snarky comments about how I post. When I am specifically replying to someone I do quote them. If I am just commenting generally I don’t quote people. It shouldn’t be a huge deal - should it?

If you disagree with something I post, calling it silly is demeaning. It’s literally dismissive of the point. And I didn’t get a truly understandable reason for your obvious disdain for what I said. Other than possibly you don’t like the way I was trying to understand how a term could be used independently of your definition of the term.

Don’t you think “tactical training” could instill or reinforce a military attitude in policing? Do you think that a military attitude (or a “war footing”) could be a result? I’m really unclear about what you object to in my posts. I don’t see where what I said contradicts you in any way.

 

[SystemShock]

So ignore the reports? That's your argument? I'm sure they will, america is awash in guns and racists.

How do you get that my argument is to ignore reports of white supremacists in police forces?

Why don't you just state what you think then.

What part of what I am saying is not clear to you?

Right, it weaponizes them to do so.

Wrong. Again:

Militarization of the police had nothing to do with George Floyd getting choked to death.
Militarization of the police had nothing to do with Tamir Rice being shot to death.
Militarization of the police had nothing to do with Eric Garner being choked to death.
Militarization of the police had nothing to do with Michael Brown being shot to death.
Militarization of the police has nothing to do with the high level of minority incarceration.

Heck, let's go past the militarization of the police. What military grade weapons and tactics were used to beat the crap out of Rodney King?

Let's go back further: what military grade weapons and tactics were used to attack the marchers in Selma?

Police abuse towards minorities has been going on since police departments were established. They certainly don't need M27 IAR's or G4 M-ATV's to do so.

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[H B Lowrey]

How do you get that my argument is to ignore reports of white supremacists in police forces?



What part of what I am saying is not clear to you?



Wrong. Again:

Militarization of the police had nothing to do with George Floyd getting choked to death.
Militarization of the police had nothing to do with Tamir Rice being shot to death.
Militarization of the police had nothing to do with Eric Garner being choked to death.
Militarization of the police had nothing to do with Michael Brown being shot to death.
Militarization of the police has nothing to do with the high level of minority incarceration.

Heck, let's go past the militarization of the police. What military grade weapons and tactics were used to beat the crap out of Rodney King?

Let's go back further: what military grade weapons and tactics were used to attack the marchers in Selma?

Police abuse towards minorities has been going on since police departments were established. They certainly don't need M27 IAR's or G4 M-ATV's to do so.

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Why yes, police violence is all-american is it not. Let's give them "surplus" military hardware and train them to shoot first and tell them they are under attack.

 

[SystemShock]

Why yes, police violence is all-american is it not.

Police violence is global, timeless. And really is not as bad in the U.S. as it is in many places around the world.

Let's give them "surplus" military hardware and train them to shoot first and tell them they are under attack.

The military may shoot first in combat in a war zone - and even that it is not always the case - but they don't need to be told they are under attack; they know when they are under attack.. The hardware is irrelevant: the overwhelming majority of police shootings happen with handguns; choking isn't a combat tactic or weapon either.

 

[H B Lowrey]

Police violence is global, timeless. And really is not as bad in the U.S. as it is in many places around the world.

The military may shoot first in combat in a war zone - and even that it is not always the case - but they don't need to be told they are under attack; they know when they are under attack.. The hardware is irrelevant: the overwhelming majority of police shootings happen with handguns; choking isn't a combat tactic or weapon either.

We have told our white supremacist infiltrated law enforcement that they are under attack by the people. And yeah, the militarization of the police is third world shirthole nation stuff, just like our concentration of wealth is.

 

[SystemShock]

We have told our white supremacist infiltrated law enforcement that they are under attack by the people.

Isn't that very much what every white supremacist thinks regardless of profession, and a general theme of white supremacy through the ages?

And yeah, the militarization of the police is third world shirthole nation stuff,

I think you are confusing police with national guards, the latter serving as private armies to whoever is in charge in those nations you call shirt holes (Donny would be proud)

It says you are 65 below your avatar, so that would put you at 40 when the North Hollywood shootout occurred, which kick-started the so called militarization of police. Maybe you have forgotten it, the shootout inspired by the movie "Heat", in which 2 subjects, after robbing a bank, gunned down a dozen police - although didn't kill any of them - and held authorities at bay for an hour or so, spraying them with high powered gun fire while police shots just bounced off the shooters' body, until SWAT was abled to get there and finally took them down. And speaking of SWAT, SWAT teams have been around since the 1960's, and they are "militarized" too.

That is what prompted police forces around the country to arm police with military grade equipment.

"Militarization of the police" is a term that was coined mid 2000's when some liberals in Congress started questioning police departments using tanks, which weren't tanks like combat tanks, but armored vehicles. And they were complaining about the cost, not police abuses using said tanks.

just like our concentration of wealth is.

That's for another thread, but I don't think it is possible for everyone to own their own Microsoft or Amazon.

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[Saintamaniac]

Rs know all this - but are being extremely disingenuous in this topic.

Democrats made it especially easy for Republicans here, set it up on a tee. It is what it is, would almost be political *malpractice (more correct term than 'malfeasance' I originally used) at this point for Republicans not to hit Democrats over the head with it.

Pundits and Independents always want to blame Democrats when Republicans do what they've always done and the American populace continues to fall for it. Fool me once, that's on you, fool me twice, that's on me. Well, at this point the American populace have been fooled by Republican messaging countless time. The blame lies with the populace and we are reaping the rewards of that ignorance.

Republicans are simply better and more effective liars than Democrats. The majority of voters are stupid or easily swayed. Democrats continue to appeal to reason while Republicans continue to capitalize on their voter stupidity.

Democrats turn the other cheek while Republicans slap both sides of their face, stab them in the back and kick them in the crotch for good measure. I'd would bet my house that if Republicans want to pass something by getting rid of the filibuster, it would be gone before you could blink.

In a fight between a thug and good samaritan, the thug will do whatever it takes to win. That's why Republicans always get what they want.

 

[H B Lowrey]

Isn't that very much what every white supremacist thinks regardless of profession, and a general theme of white supremacy through the ages?



I think you are confusing police with national guards, the latter serving as private armies to whoever is in charge in those nations you call shirt holes (Donny would be proud)

It says you are 65 below your avatar, so that would put you at 40 when the North Hollywood shootout occurred, which kick-started the so called militarization of police. Maybe you have forgotten it, the shootout inspired by the movie "Heat", in which 2 subjects, after robbing a bank, gunned down a dozen police - although didn't kill any of them - and held authorities at bay for an hour or so, spraying them with high powered gun fire while police shots just bounced off the shooters' body, until SWAT was abled to get there and finally took them down. And speaking of SWAT, SWAT teams have been around since the 1960's, and they are "militarized" too.

That is what prompted police forces around the country to arm police with military grade equipment.

"Militarization of the police" is a term that was coined mid 2000's when some liberals in Congress started questioning police departments using tanks, which weren't tanks like combat tanks, but armored vehicles. And they were complaining about the cost, not police abuses using said tanks.



That's for another thread, but I don't think it is possible for everyone to own their own Microsoft or Amazon.

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It's all connected. Sure, "liberals" forked everything up for you.

Militarization of police fails to enhance safety, may harm police reputation

A new study shows that militarized policing is ineffective in decreasing crime and protecting police, and may actually weaken the public’s image of the police.

www.princeton.edu

Police militarization fails to protect officers and targets black communities, study finds

Police militarization neither reduces rates of violent crime nor changes the number of officers assaulted or killed, a new study finds. It is arguably the nation’s first systematic analysis on the use and consequences of militarized police forces.

www.pbs.org

https://www.pogo.org/analysis/2020/06/poisoning-our-police-how-the-militarization-mindset-threatens-constitutional-rights-and-public-safety/

White supremacists and militias have infiltrated police across US, report says

A former FBI agent has documented links between serving officers and racist militant activities in more than a dozen states

www.theguardian.com

White supremacists and militias have infiltrated police across US, report says

A former FBI agent has documented links between serving officers and racist militant activities in more than a dozen states

www.theguardian.com

Let's Not Forget the FBI Found Law Enforcement Has a White Supremacist Problem

Rep. Jamie Raskin made sure to remind us of a 2006 report on the day after the president*'s dangerous debate rhetoric.

www.esquire.com

 

[SystemShock]

It's all connected. Sure, "liberals" forked everything up for you.

What? LOL
What did they fork for me?

Militarization of police fails to enhance safety, may harm police reputation

A new study shows that militarized policing is ineffective in decreasing crime and protecting police, and may actually weaken the public’s image of the police.

www.princeton.edu

Right off the bad: there is no "militarized policing". And apparently bullet proof vests don't enhance police safety. Who knew.
Waste of time to read.

Police militarization fails to protect officers and targets black communities, study finds

Police militarization neither reduces rates of violent crime nor changes the number of officers assaulted or killed, a new study finds. It is arguably the nation’s first systematic analysis on the use and consequences of militarized police forces.

www.pbs.org

Another fail. Can't even get the picture right, showing police in riot gear without weapons. Slow clap.
The purpose of giving military equipment to the police is not to reduce crime, it is to confront it.

Another waste of time.

There are lost of accusations levied against the very few conservative posters who post here of regurgitating right-wing talking points, and here you are regurgitating left-wing talking points with lots of may's and could's and "studies", the latter such an overused, misinterpreted word.

 

[FullMonte]

The drug explosion is due to no security on the boarders aka Biden , and Meth comes mainly from Mexico and Fentanyl is coming in from China another nation that Democrats are soft on , its also being smuggled in on the southern boarder.
Also 7 out of 10 in jail Identify as democrat , they pretty well tells you why liberals want no cash bail and are so soft on the boarder .

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Do you think the Chinese are shipping that Fentanyl to Mexico and having people hand carry it across the border? Or is it coming in hidden in containers on ships? Can you point to some changes in US policy enacted by the Biden administration that changed how containers on ships were inspected?

 

[Sandman]

I believe there is an issue with taking soldiers who have been trained to kill and thinking that their service (which is greatly appreciated) qualifies them for police work. There needs to be a de-programming of those members of the military before they start police work. Instead, police departments pay people to come in and basically tell officers "you better shoot them before they shoot you." Below is an example of the training the officers are receiving. Warning for language and violence.