General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (14 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[coldseat]

Meh, nobody's going to change by 2028. Let the voters enjoy their MAGA overlords.

If the Democrats could just stop giving a fork, the message to voters today would be, "Don't come running to us in 2028 to save you from your vote." But that's just me being salty because I know how this crap fest will play out.

 

[DaveXA]

The DNC could have run a ticket of Jesus and the Virgin Mary and the GOP would rail against them for being brown-skinned socialists. The problem is the GOP and what they have done to their voter base. That's the sad truth.

Sorry, unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's just not true. Biden beat Trump 4 years ago. A Gavin Newsom type would likely win this election if he gets a full campaign in.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Please

Do not act like we are a bunch of meanies unjustly picking on decent bipartisan conventional moderate Republicans

We aren't saying they are racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic they are saying it!

They have been ever since Trump rode down that escalator and as recently as 2 days ago

But when it gets called out, it's a bunch of pearl clutching "Why I nevers!

 

[The moose]

It's the same logic that caused the media to completely flip out when Biden made the slightest gaffe but that same media ignored way, way worse when Trump did so......

You aren't convincing anyone that Michelle Obama would have done any better.....in my state (NC) most of the important local election were won by Dems, but Trump won the state rather easily, explain that one?

Your lame attempt at gaslighting is noted.....

Well to be honest your state voted dem twice since 1968. Carter once and Obama once had won the tightest race your state in the entire election. 14k votes.


Your state has voted Republican ever since civil rights bills passed shockingly like every other southern state.

To use your obviously republican or even slightly racist state as a litmus test is kinda silly. White men and plenty of them can't win your republican state historically.

Hell my obviously racist republican state Louisiana voted dem three times since then Carter once and Clinton twice.

The south won't flip without one of their own or a insane push like Obama and his first time. It doesn't matter who runs honestly in your state or mine and how dems do in our states doesn't mean squat in the big scheme.

 

[el caliente]

The DNC could have run a ticket of Jesus and the Virgin Mary and the GOP would rail against them for being brown-skinned socialists. The problem is the GOP and what they have done to their voter base. That's the sad truth.

That ticket certainly would have been a better plan than running Harris unopposed.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Meh, nobody's going to change by 2028. Let the voters enjoy their MAGA overlords.

If the Democrats could just stop giving a fork, the message to voters today would be, "Don't come running to us in 2028 to save you from your vote." But that's just me being salty because I know how this crap fest will play out.

I'm kind of here right now. I want Trump and those that voted for him to get everything they asked for. Mass deportations, check (assuming no cages, just a quick ticket elsewhere)! Massive tariffs, check! Abolish the ACA, check! Union busting legislation, check! Free reign to Israel, check! Pull out Ukraine, check! Fail to defend Taiwan, Check!

Give it all to them.

I can't bring myself to wish for abortion bans, but pretty much everything else - let 'em have it.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

You mean Hunter?

Him too

 

[el caliente]

Sorry, unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's just not true. Biden beat Trump 4 years ago. A Gavin Newsom type would likely win this election if he gets a full campaign in.

Agreed. Beating Trump was possible…if the party ran a better candidate….or just held an open primary before handing the nomination to Harris. Everyone saw this failure coming except for the people who made it happen.

 

[bdb13]

I'm kind of here right now. I want Trump and those that voted for him to get everything they asked for. Mass deportations, check (assuming no cages, just a quick ticket elsewhere)! Massive tariffs, check! Abolish the ACA, check! Union busting legislation, check! Free reign to Israel, check! Pull out Ukraine, check! Fail to defend Taiwan, Check!

Give it all to them.

I can't bring myself to wish for abortion bans, but pretty much everything else - let 'em have it.

Yep, that's where I am too.

I think he'll back off on the tariffs thing though, honestly.

 

[coldseat]

Agreed. Beating Trump was possible…if the party ran a better candidate….or just held an open primary before handing the nomination to Harris. Everyone saw this failure coming except for the people who made it happen.

What are you talking about? Up until yesterday, most people voting for Harris had a good feeling she'd win. Exit polls even showed that the majority of the people voting for Harris where actually voting for her and not just against Trump.

I know you felt that way and no doubt so did right wingers, but to say everybody saw this failure coming is just revisionist history.

 

[J-DONK]

Agreed. Beating Trump was possible…if the party ran a better candidate….or just held an open primary before handing the nomination to Harris. Everyone saw this failure coming except for the people who made it happen.

There was no way to really hold a open primary. All those delegates were Biden insiders, and the only candidate that would have ever meet was Harris. It would have been delaying the inevitable.

The backroom stuff does need to end.

2016 - Only Sanders dare run against the HRC political machine
2020 - Obama made deals with half of the field to drop out once Biden finally won a state in SC
2024 - Biden is forced out, and his VP is nominated with no votes cast for her as the candidate

You have to go back to 2008 to find a truly competitive primary.

I'll make a charge some of us won't like on this board. Both parties have become less democratic in different ways.

 

[DaveXA]

What are you talking about? Up until yesterday, most people voting for Harris had a good feeling she'd win. Exit polls even showed that the majority of the people voting for Harris where actually voting for her and not just against Trump.

I know you felt that way and no doubt so did right wingers, but to say everybody saw this failure coming is just revisionist history.

Yeah, I don't buy that everyone saw this coming. I know I didn't and I know others didn't.

I will say though, a lot of people didn't trust the polls and they thought his numbers were overstated. Apparently the polls got it a lot closer than the last couple of elections.

 

[efil4]

Yep, that's where I am too.

I think he'll back off the tariffs The thing though, honestly.

it was campaign bluster- the economy was already rebounding- as it continues to get better, he will simply point to his election as reason and not having to use tariffs.

Tariffs would be inflationary so unless he wants to let that genie out the bottle....

but then again, that might be the "temporary hardships" Elon was talking about if Trump were to win and enact his policies as he wished.

4 more years of "Ready, FIRE, Aim"

 

[DaveXA]

There was no way to really hold a open primary. All those delegates were Biden insiders, and the only candidate that would have ever meet was Harris. It would have been delaying the inevitable.

The backroom stuff does need to end.

2016 - Only Sanders dare run against the HRC political machine
2020 - Obama made deals with half of the field to drop out once Biden finally won a state in SC
2024 - Biden is forced out, and his VP is nominated with no votes cast for her as the candidate

You have to go back to 2008 to find a truly competitive primary.

I'll make a charge some of us won't like on this board. Both parties have become less democratic in different ways.

Yeah, I agree. It's obvious to me that the D party needs new leadership and to change the process of nominating a candidate. What they're doing now clearly isn't working.

 

[Heathen]

what civil liberties?

Voting rights
First amendment rights
LGBTQ+ rights
Reproductive rights
Equal protection
etc

I think we as a country have been pretty progressive over the last 20/30 years when it comes to certain minorities and groups. I saw, and I’ll try to find it, that Trump did better with Latinos, African Americans and LGBQT than he did last election.

That in no way indicates that Trump is doing anything for these groups or rather - is NOT also attacking the rights of these groups.

I’d love to understand your fears.
Look we all want the same thing. There aren’t many policies we differ on wanting, it just how we get there is what’s difficult

I fear that much of this nation would be willing to rip up the constitution if it meant getting their way.

I fear much of this nation wants a Christian nationalist state. You can say that it isn’t true, but I can show you data point after data point of evidence that it’s happening almost every day.

This is what many Americans feel they need to push back against. It’s a radical right agenda that feels the need to be in our bedrooms, dictate who we love or how we utilize bodily autonomy.

There will always and forever be a fierce fight against that. A better question is: Why don’t Republicans just drop this tribalistic nonsense so we can try to move on to addressing other things as a nation? This constant cycle of attack is terrible for our country, yet it is the default position of the right.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Agreed. Beating Trump was possible…if the party ran a better candidate….or just held an open primary before handing the nomination to Harris. Everyone saw this failure coming except for the people who made it happen.

I wish I cared enough to go find my Facebook comment from about two weeks after the 2020 election. I said then Trump would win and win big in 2024 because his 71 million voters worshipped him and Biden's voters were just angry at Trump and taking advantage of it being easy to vote because of Covid. Under normal circumstances, I predicted a decline of 10 - 15% Dem votes while Trump would be right where he was. He never grows and declines significantly in his support.

I've been saying it back here quite a bit too. I said just last week he was going to win and win big.

I don't know exactly what it says about the American people, but there has never been a more adored American political figure by their base. People build their entire identity around their literal worship of Trump. Truck parades. Boat parades. I live near Trump Burger.

We have never seen anything like this in America. Trying to say an open primary would have caused these acolytes to do something different is like saying a better candidate would have caused the Heaven's Gate folks to take off their Nikes. Conventional wisdom doesn't apply here.

 

[not2rich]

it was campaign bluster- the economy was already rebounding- as it continues to get better, he will simply point to his election as reason and not having to use tariffs.

Tariffs would be inflationary so unless he wants to let that genie out the bottle....

but then again, that might be the "temporary hardships" Elon was talking about if Trump were to win and enact his policies as he wished.

4 more years of "Ready, FIRE, Aim"

I don't think tariffs are necessarily bad if they are strategic and targeted, based on a sound policy objective, but using them widely and indiscriminately would be shooting ourselves in the foot economically. I think it's more likely the Trump admin will use tariffs to reward and/or punish private businesses or industries - corrupt, crony capitalism type stuff.

 

[Heathen]

What are you talking about? Up until yesterday, most people voting for Harris had a good feeling she'd win. Exit polls even showed that the majority of the people voting for Harris where actually voting for her and not just against Trump.

I know you felt that way and no doubt so did right wingers, but to say everybody saw this failure coming is just revisionist history.

I think it’s a mix of things. The Democratic Party has been running on milquetoast ideals for a while. Some good ideas, sure. But nothing that truly got the working class up on their feet en masse to vote like we saw w Obama.This at a time during inflation? They needed something truly groundbreaking. They had “joy”.

Repubs had energized hatred. One beat out the other. Neither party has had any real plan for the suffering middle class.

That and Democratic voters just didn’t show up to the polls when it counted at least compared to the GOP. And add in a pinch of it being a woman running and this country’s view on that…voila