General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (12 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Lapaz]

Smerconish was asking this morning whether Trump or Harris voters would handle a loss better. Obviously Harris voters will have a much harder time coping with it, because there is very little reason for Trump voters to fear Harris. She would be largely a normal president that would be largely a continuation of a Biden presidency. On the other hand, Hispanics and political opponents will have a lot to fear due to lawlessness that will ensue in pursuing them. The entire nation will suffer for many reasons, but Trump has threatened to do much more than cause suffering to many with lawlessness, not "Lawfare". He can complain about Lawfare, but Democrats are using the law to try to make him accountable for his crimes. In Trump's world, he should be able to do whatever he wants, and any attempts to hold him accountable is Lawfare. Whereas, he won't pretend to use Lawfare if elected. He'll just break whatever law he wants to hurt people that opposed him or that he considers lesser than white people, and attempt to block or undermine any attempts to stop him. He'll have a lot fewer people trying to stop him within the government, and his voters that aren't as extreme and think he wouldn't do it will give their stupid answer that they didn't really think he meant it.

'If Trump Loses, 100% He'll Throw A Tantrum'

'Accusations would be flung about his votes being stolen. He'll say dead people were voting from the grave.' Payal Singh Mohanka reports on the mood ahead of the US presidential election.

www.rediff.com

 

[SamAndreas]

Checking in from New Zealand…it appears our media is obsessed with this election. Listening to local talk radio this afternoon while I was in Christchurch (largest city on the South Island) and I was floored by the number of callers that were supporting the Republican nominee. On most other subjects, the callers are usually more supportive of our opposition parties (Labour, Green, Māori). This is really a paradox as our current government coalition (National, ACT, and NZ First) which although considered here to be conservative would actually be left-leaning by US standards.
I’m sick to death of hearing about the election so I don’t know how you guys deal with the incessant, in-your-face coverage?!?

I would expect to see that on talk radio anywhere in the world. Conservatives seem to like to have someone read their news to them.

Liberals tend to like to read their own news.

Liberals here did try to utilize talk radio. Air America was a long time ago now, and it didn't last very long. RFK jr. was amoung those Air America radio talkers.

What are the newspapers there saying?

 

[SamAndreas]

Trump’s interview with Carlson included this little bit of fantasy about Liz Cheney

He describes her facing a firing squad execution.

 

[MT15]

He describes her facing a firing squad execution.

Yes and the GOP accepts this violent rhetoric.

 

[MT15]

Im convinced that he is a "Manchurian candidate". They rely on his "celebrity" to draw in the voters. To watch/listen to the folks that platform him, to nod in agreement at some of the most unbelievable lies, they have sold their morality for one shot at being part of the "power/policy structure" of the US. They want to have a seat at the table and the only way to do so is to platform this guy, get in his good graces, and do his bidding.

BUT the Mad King doesnt even see that HE is the one being manipulated thru adulation and admiration. The con man is actually being conned.

Fascinating.

I think the “tech bro” billionaires and the Taliban-esque far right Christians both think they can control him. I’m not sure anyone can control him - Mattis and Kelly tried and they couldn’t do it. I do think that if he errs by putting too many from one camp or the other in his cabinet, he could be removed. JD Vance has a foot in both camps, and I see JD Vance as a true threat to this nation.

 

[Optimus Prime]

American political activists on the left and the right are using networks of social media followers that behave like bots to rapidly spread conspiracy theories embraced by significant segments of the U.S. population, according to a new report by a disinformation research group.

The bogus claim that the attempt to assassinate Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, was staged and the lie that Haitian migrants were stealing and eating pets in Ohio were spread across social media platforms in a remarkably similar fashion. Both were spread by groups of linked accounts engaging in “coordinated, inauthentic behavior,” says the report, "The Botification of the Americans Mind," by Rutgers University’s Network Contagion Research Institute, or NCRI.

While such sophisticated disinformation tactics are often associated with foreign actors like Russia, Iran or China, the report highlights a troubling domestic trend: Americans themselves are deploying the techniques to spread malicious falsehoods designed to manipulate and polarize public opinion.

“It’s a concerning trend in American politics,” said Joel Finkelstein, a co-founder of NCRI. “You have tens of thousands of willing netizens who are amplifying this type of content. We spent a long time saying it’s the Russians, it’s the Chinese — it’s us.”

The report found that pro-Democratic activists using the hashtag #BlueCrew played a key role in spreading the discredited idea that the shooting of Trump in Butler was fake or staged.

NCRI identified 951 accounts that engaged in “coordinated inauthentic activity” associated with a pro-Harris campaign called #BlueCrew. Those accounts posted nearly 2 million times from July 10 to Oct. 10, “exhibiting behavior indicative of organized efforts to amplify specific narratives,” the report says, most commonly the narrative that Trump was not shot.

In connection with the Haitian pets story, NCRI identified at least 473 pro-Trump accounts engaged in what researchers call “coordinated inauthentic behavior,” which posted 1.1 million times from July 10 to Oct. 10.

Researchers have repeatedly documented how propagandists have used automated accounts, or bots, to spread false narratives on social media.

Not all accounts that engage in coordinated inauthentic behavior are bots. Many are operated by real people. But researchers say the accounts are behaving in ways specifically designed to supercharge the spreading of narratives. NCRI found that the more accounts exhibited such traits, the more likely they were to be spreading conspiracy theories...........

American activists were behind efforts to spread conspiracies with bot networks, study finds

While disinformation is often associated with Russia, Iran or China, Americans themselves are spreading conspiracy theories designed to polarize public opinion.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[MT15]

Some podcaster has tapes of interview(s) with Epstein he did while Trump was in the WH. Epstein says he is still in contact with Trump, and describes some of the inner workings of the early days of the Trump presidency.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump Jr. is warning men who support his father, former President Donald Trump, that early voting numbers are "not great for us" because many more women have cast ballots than men.

Out of approximately 62 million early ballots cast so far, at least 54 percent have been cast by women, while only 44 percent have been cast by men, according to NBC News. Polls suggest that women substantially favor Vice President Kamala Harris over Donald Trump in this year's presidential election.

Trump Jr. lamented the early voting figures during an episode of his Triggered podcast on Thursday, while praising YouTuber-turned-boxer Jake Paul for endorsing his father and pleading with younger men to not "sit out" the election.

"Jake Paul gets it," Trump Jr. said. "He has over 20 million subscribers. So, hopefully you young men turn out, because I'm seeing, you know, there's higher women turnout. That's usually not great for us, on our side. Young men tend to sit it out at lot more."

While early voting numbers also show that a substantially larger share of Republicans have cast ballots early this year when compared to 2020, the voting gender gap is larger in some critical battleground states than it is nationally.

In North Carolina, women were outvoting men by 11 percentage points as of Thursday, while the gap was 12 points in Georgia and 13 points in Pennsylvania.

Women make up a larger percentage of the electorate and have voted at higher rates than men in every U.S. presidential election since 1980, according to the Center for American Women and Politics.

Trump Jr. also blasted President Joe Biden and Harris during the podcast for Biden's "garbage" remark earlier in the week, saying, "Kamala Harris does not love Americans."............

Donald Trump Jr. issues warning to male voters: "Not great for us"

Women made up a clear majority of the around 62 million people who had cast ballots by Thursday night.

www.newsweek.com

 

[superchuck500]

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Yes and the GOP accepts this violent rhetoric.

"At least we're not calling people garbage..."

 

[Optimus Prime]

"At least we're not calling people garbage..."

Except that they are

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Except that they are

Hence the

 

[efil4]

I think the “tech bro” billionaires and the Taliban-esque far right Christians both think they can control him. I’m not sure anyone can control him - Mattis and Kelly tried and they couldn’t do it. I do think that if he errs by putting too many from one camp or the other in his cabinet, he could be removed. JD Vance has a foot in both camps, and I see JD Vance as a true threat to this nation.

No thats just it...they CAN control him thru manipulation. He wont turn on them so long as the adulation and money continue to flow in. And they have oodles of money.

Mattis and Kelly werent going to do his bidding and HAD NO $$$$. THATS the KEY. But if you are FULLY onboard with creating the "bidding" - nothing is stopping you and Trump is the vessel to get you where you want to be.

 

[UriUT]

30 Things Joe Biden Did as President You Might Have Missed

Drone armies, expanded overtime pay and over-the-counter birth control pills are just some of the new things Biden has ushered in as president that you might not have heard about.

www.politico.com

We all know the Chips, IRA, and Infrastructure legislations. Here are things Biden has accomplished.

Strengthened unions, established allies in Asia, moved chips manufacturing back to the US, partial drug negotiations for Medicaid/Medicare, worker rights expansion, airline junk fee restrictions, forcing Chinese companies to open their books, etc.

Trump???


Christ, he sided with big oil and forced inflation by increasing gas prices!!!

 

[UriUT]

No thats just it...they CAN control him thru manipulation. He wont turn on them so long as the adulation and money continue to flow in. And they have oodles of money.

Mattis and Kelly werent going to do his bidding and HAD NO $$$$. THATS the KEY. But if you are FULLY onboard with creating the "bidding" - nothing is stopping you and Trump is the vessel to get you where you want to be.

Similarly to Putin's ascent. The oligarchs who consolidated wealth and political power via Yeltsin thought a little known kgb officer could be the figure head that they can use and manipulate to continue their status. They believed they were invincible. Once elected, Putin gathered them. He then targeted a few. The media that were critical to him and had shows mocking Putin? Just like Orban, Putin used the levers of power, fines and restrictions, to pound anyone that dared defied him. He jailed them. Forced them to sign over their assets. Some died. Others fled. And some were hunted and poisoned in western countries that they thought would be safe haven. The new autocrats.

 

[Nebaghead]

Why the Right Thinks Trump Is Running Away With the Race

Skewed polls and anonymous betting markets are building up Republicans’ expectations. Donald Trump could use that to challenge the result.

www.nytimes.com

 

[zztop]

30 Things Joe Biden Did as President You Might Have Missed

Drone armies, expanded overtime pay and over-the-counter birth control pills are just some of the new things Biden has ushered in as president that you might not have heard about.

www.politico.com

Also replacing lead pipes throughout the US

FACT SHEET: Biden-Harris Administration Announces $3 Billion to Replace Toxic Lead Pipes and Deliver Clean Drinking Water to Communities Across the Country | The White House

Funding from President Biden’s Investing in America Agenda Will Accelerate Progress Toward the President’s Commitment to Replace Every Lead Pipe in the

www.whitehouse.gov