General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (5 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Huntn]

Opinion: Trump and Vance seem very upset with being fact-checked. Maybe lie less?

Donald Trump and JD Vance have shown a willingness to defend the lies they tell. Expect that to continue through November.

www.usatoday.com

It’s so revealing, illuminating, that you’d think, if they were truly intelligent, they’d recognize the problem as it is, and think about a different but more difficult way to deal with it such as sticking to the truth. But in little boy terms, “Stop calling out my lies! Mommy!!”

But maybe they have so little regard for themselves and their followers, a mass hallucination scenario is the requirement to win?

 

[Huntn]

I know, his thumbs are so small... so short.

look at Sissy Hankshaw's hands, especially look at the commanding length of her thumbs.

She's was one of the worlds best hitchhikers on American highways during the 60's because of the commanding length of her thumbs. Everyone needs something they are great at.


If all of this abut Sissy is new to you, Sissy is the heroine of Even Cowgirls get the Blues, by Tom Robbins. A book and movie, the photo of Sissy is from the movie.

In this image, they appear misshapened, twice as long as they could be.

 

[Huntn]

Maybe stereotypes are the real issue here. Why not just see people for who they are, beyond gender? It's possible to do that.

Yet, American TV shows and movies still depict men as strong breadwinners and heads of families, while women are shown as needing protection. What would you suggest to offer "a positive context" for these portrayals?

Equality isn't just for women; it's for men too. Here, women get 6 months of paid maternity leave, and fathers also get 6 months of paid paternity leave. This gives them valuable time to bond with their newborns, and it's widely appreciated. I have a colleague currently on his third paternity leave in four years, and he loves it. This right is protected by law, and most companies support it, recognizing the positive impact on employees.

Look back at “tradional” roles, men as bread winner protectors, basically lord of the manor, women as sexual partners, baby incubators, kitchen, kid handler, servants.. There are actually people still alive who want to return to these stereotypes. Just look to your right. What is most perplexing is in today’s society how many women on the right apparantly buy into this, or give it lip service. Maybe there’s some Stockholm syndrome going on here?

 

[Huntn]

Exploring the topic of how to improve men's self-esteem deserves its own thread. It's only applicable to this thread to the extent that Trump has the edge over Harris with young men because I believe the Republican party is perceived to be more masculine. I think some of the things associated with Republicans that make them seem more masculine is Republicans tend to be more aggressive; they celebrate the gun culture; perhaps some religious, since most religions have women submit to their spouses; perhaps abortion related since women can't have abortions in many cases that the man may want to keep; and perhaps because Republicans promote the military more than Democrats.

It’s about tradional roles that no longer apply. Sure 100 years ago yes, but today, no. This also has to do with men’s esteem as connected to women’s second class status. We are seeing the equalization and the need to keep everyone on a healthy basis, which requires the tradional sexist roles to basically be eradicated.

 

[Huntn]

It's also another example that every accusation from Trump is a projection of his own guilt.

Everything that comes out of the Rabid Right’s mouths is projection that equates to their manifesto hung on others as a grand misdirection scheme. As always, to suceed it requires a high STUPID quota, and apathy.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I saw this today. It lends a metaphoric element to this race.



I do feel the need to correct that caption, they got the pronoun thing wrong.

She waited for HER whole life for that moment.

I'd never thought about it before, but to a horse running with a group of bikers racing probably has the same appeal as running with a herd of horses. It's something they seem to like to do as recreation.

 

[SamAndreas]

In this image, they appear misshapened, twice as long as they could be.

I would say read the book, but it's easier to just hand you the movie:

 

[Optimus Prime]

Former President Trump on Friday vowed to revert North Carolina’s Fort Liberty back to Fort Bragg if he’s elected this fall, a little over a year after the military installation was redesignated to remove the name of a Confederate general.

“The first question that I asked: Should we change the name from Fort Liberty back to Fort Bragg?” Trump said, prompting raucous applause from the crowd gathered for his town hall in Fayetteville, near the base. “So here’s what we do, we get elected. I’m doing it.” ……

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4917161-trump-vows-restore-fort-bragg/

 

[Taurus]

I would say read the book, but it's easier to just hand you the movie:

Dayum, it's not CGI. I wonder if it's an inherited trait?

 

[SamAndreas]

Dayum, it's not CGI. I wonder if it's an inherited trait?

It's magical realism not CGI. It's magical realism in the book and the movie. From the original 1976 New York Times book review:

Robbins gets his omnibus going with the story of Sissy Hankshaw a poor Virginia girl who uses her outsized thumbs to become a hitchhiker's legend and the rest of her body to star in fern

Thomas LeClair teaches contemporary fiction at the University of Cincinnati. After marrying badly (a Mohawk turned New York intellectual), Sissy visits dude ranch taken over by militant cowgirls, raises her consciousness with a Japanese guru called “The Chink”and seeks help at a psychiatric clinic where she meets Dr. Robbins, the novel's narrator.

If this sounds like a skewed liberation plot, be advised that Robbins considers realism only “one of the fiftyseven varieties of decoration” and that liberation means reversing thirty thousand years of civilization. When the Great Mother reigned, so did magic. Sissy has it in her seductive thumbs, and the cowgirls are turned in the right direction: female community, sexual play, life among animals and plants.

The novel, though, turns every which way, becomes a Miibius striptease. Robbins says it's by pushing one thing to an extreme that “you force it into the realm of magic.” Knowing like Pynchon, funny like Vonnegut, as winsome as Brautigan, Robbins allows the HooDoo force of “Cowgirls” to dissipate in routines and arguments. Sissy is made for levitation, not analysis, yet here's Robbins talking about piano wire and his own costume. Once again, it's the man up front.

Robbins has an old trunk of a mind, knows the atmosphere on Venus, cow diseases, hitch‐hiking manuals, herbs, the brain's circuitry, whooping cranes, circles, parades, Nisei internment. Empty spaces are filled with inventions—a lost Indian tribe called the Clock People is his best—and theories on everything from vaginal odor to time and the universe as play. They add up to a primitivism just pragmatic enough to he attractive and fanciful enough to measure the straight society.

Robbins isn't sure “there is any such thing as exaggeration,” so his sentences sweat themselves into some extreme figures: “an afternoon squeezed out of Mickey's mousy snout, an afternoon carved from mashed potatoes and lye, an afternoon scraped out of the dog dish of meteorology.” Everything, including Wonder Bread, is animated; the book itself is personified. Some of Robbins's metaphors are only embroidered Kleenex. But when he has hyperbole on medium, metaphor transforms the ordinary into the fantastic. The first half has most of this textural magic; by the end, action and abstracdominate.

Even Cowgirls Get the Blues (Published 1976)

www.nytimes.com

The book was required reading my freshman year in college for a literature class. For that class we mapped Sissy's hero journey. Then we did the same thing with Luke in Star Wars. There was, is, a Star Wars book.

 

[SamAndreas]

The Harris campaign posted this:

 

[SamAndreas]

My goodness, one needs hip waders and a pike to go forward from here:

 

[fooferdoggie]

My goodness, one needs hip waders and a pike to go forward from here:

man, he is on Trump's wavelength every lie is a confession.

 

[Taurus]

man, he is on Trump's wavelength every lie is a confession.

On that note, ever wonder how come they like to say that liberalism is a mental disease?

MAGA sure's hell is. Not just in the "Used to be reasonable but now thinks Haitians eat pets" manner but the "Used to be a damn fine lawyer/engineer/artist but is now worse than a complete amateur." way as well.

 

[LA - L.A.]

My goodness, one needs hip waders and a pike to go forward from here:

I think Elon Musk also understands that now that he has shown who he really is, if Trump loses he will lose billions of dollars in government contracts in addition the tax cuts he will lose. Elon Musk knows he will take a big financial loss and possibly be in legal trouble if Trump loses.

 

[coldseat]

My goodness, one needs hip waders and a pike to go forward from here:

That came off so flat and boring. Absolutely no charisma.

 

[Optimus Prime]

every lie is a confession.

Anyone know what the psychology behind this particular phenomenon is?

It can’t be a guilty conscience, they feel zero guilt or shame about what their doing

 

[Optimus Prime]

Since Donald Trump first emerged on the scene of American politics in 2015, he has refused to provide a glimpse into his medical records.

If Trump, 78, succeeds in November, he will become the oldest person ever to serve as president, ousting the current record-holder, Joe Biden. When his potential second term ends, he will be 82 years old.

Despite his advanced age, Trump has refused to provide any glimpse into his records. When asked about his health in 2015, he provided a four-paragraph letter from his doctor, who claimed he would be the “healthiest person ever elected to the presidency.”

Age has already played a major role in the 2024 presidential election; concerns over Biden’s cognitive health culminated with his decision to step away from the race, clearing the path for Vice President Kamala Harris to step up to carry the Democratic banner in November.

But Biden’s decision came after his party colleagues collectively expressed their concerns over his health; there are few — if any — calls from prominent Republican leaders asking if Trump has the ability to lead as he approaches 80, and it’s unclear if those calls would deter the former president anyway.…….

Trump refuses to release medical records as he approaches 80

Trump is nearly 80-years-old, loves steak and Big Macs, was hospitalized with Covid-19, and has been shot, but has maintained his health is fine

www.independent.co.uk