General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (3 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Farb]

The amount of projection here is pretty funny. But, at least y'all aren't accusing her of being a conspiracy theorist yet.

I am not sure if she is or not. I am not even sure what she actually believes, I don't think she knows what she actually believes.

Are you a fan of the wall now, because she is?

 

[Farb]

Where is Trump's? Here is what his website says, https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform:

1- Seal the border and stop the migrant invasion:
Trump translation: pass the immigration bill which he blocked, and break laws even if the courts say it is illegal.

2- Carry out the largest deportation operation in american history
Trump: Violate civil rights of legal immigrants, and create another embarrassment like when we jailed Japanese citizens.

3- End inflation, and make america affordable again
Trump: Take credit for the fact that it is normal today, or perhaps throw us into recession to lower prices.

4 - Make america the dominant energy producer in the world, by far!
Trump: Take credit for the fact that we are already dominant.

5 -STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
Trump: Take credit for the fact that we are already dominant.

6 - large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips!
Trump: give most cuts to the rich and watch it not trickle down, and not acknowledge that Harris agrees on the tips taxes.

7 - Defend our constitution, our bill of rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms
Trump translation: Break the constitution by becoming a dictator, trying to hang on to power, impose christian laws, block reasonable gun laws, and attack the media.

8 - Prevent world war three, restore peace in europe and in the middle east, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in america
Trump translation: Let China take Taiwan and Russia take Ukraine and whatever other non-NATO, and maybe some NATO countries they want.

9- End the weaponization of government against the american people
Trump translation: Stop making me obey the law, and find a reason to prosecute anyone that opposed me.

10- Stop the migrant crime epidemic, demolish the foreign drug cartels, crush gang violence, and lock up violent offenders
Trump translation: violate legal immigrant civil rights to catch the small minority of immigrants that are committing crimes.

11- Rebuild our cities, including washington dc, making them safe, clean, and beautiful again.
Trump translation: Take over cities, and run them further into the ground.

12- Strengthen and modernize our military, making it, without question, the strongest and most powerful in the world
Trump: Pour more money into the DoD without oversight.

13- Keep the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency
Trump: Deregulate crypto to challenge the U.S. dollar among the criminals.

14- Fight for and protect social security and medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age
Trump: Don't do anything, which will lead to failure.

15- Cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations
Trump translation: Eliminate subsidies on green energy, but expand it on dirty energy.

16- Cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children
Trump translation: Create nanny state and regulate public schools to weaken them further. Also, close Department of Education to eliminate any standardization and oversight, which begs the question of who will monitor schools

17- Keep men out of women's sports
Trump: Outlaw co-ed sports on private sports organizations.

18- Deport pro-hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again
Trump: Outlaw freedom of speech, and impose patriotism tests.

19- Secure our elections, including same day voting, voter identification, paper ballots, and proof of citizenship
Trump: Make sure me and my friends win, and prevent anyone that opposes me from voting.

20- Unite our country by bringing it to new and record levels of success
Trump: Violate freedom of speech and jail or threaten opponents so that no one would dare to speak out.

Thanks! Now can you also post her official platform?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Just because some rules sound good does not mean they were God given. As far as my faith, I have nothing specific to cite, I am spiritually oriented, but I’m definietly not going with the Moldy Old Book. That’s why I’m agnostic. I believe there is something more, but I can’t say what specifically, and I’m good with that. Happy to discuss it more… if you want to.

Thank you for your nice post and for ending it with a smile. Some day in the near future I would enjoy an exchange of posts or messages with you. As of now I must return to travel preparations. Thanks again!
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My wife gets home at 3:40pm and it is 2:45pm. I've done everything on my to do list so I have come back to this post.
Hi again @Huntn
This video features a relaxing conversation between a Christian YouTuber and an AGNOSTIC. Since you @Huntn said you are an agnostic I thought I'd share this with you... (The title says "AETHIEST" but DURING THE VIDEO ITSELF the MAN BEING INTERVIEWED CLEARLY SAYS HE IS AGNOSTIC )

 

[fooferdoggie]

IDK how the Trump campaign landed on this guy, but thank you. Thank you, thank you aaaaannnnd Thank you.

well their stupid followers would belive this stupidity.

 

[Farb]

Stop printing money eh? The same guy who was incensed about Covid relief checks not bearing his signature.

I asked for you to post his platform and how he will accomplish

So far you posted about inflation with the added comment of money printing.

Oh and the strategic reserve was used to combat inflationary pressures brought about from the lack of preparedness and immediate response to Covid 19. It's affect to the mfg and supply chain.

You know who was POTUS. I also don't think I really need to explain basic economics to you as you seem to have the basic tenets down, so you absolutely know where the ball started rolling...it wasn't Biden.

Any other platform ideas? Build wall? Lol. Mass deportation? Care to expand on your "thoughts" since your candidate refuses to give sufficient answers to "how".

I'll wait. I got time too...getting tires installed.

Are you saying a politican care about personal clout? My, how evil indeed. LOL.

Since you want me to explain to you about how Trump will implement his platform? I tell you want, you present Harris official platform and then we can go line by line and debate. Where is hers?

Are you against building a wall? Harris is not all the sudden. I am curious on where you stand and can you explain how Harris will build the wall? How will federal housing assistance effect the housing market? Any idea how price control works in the economy and has it been implemented in the past and what are the results?

Hope the tire installation went well for you.

 

[Bayouboy]

IDK how the Trump campaign landed on this guy, but thank you. Thank you, thank you aaaaannnnd Thank you.

You say this in jest, I assume, but you are so very correct. JD Vance is a walking/talking disaster. The dude pegs out the "unlikeable" meter and I can't think that anyone, even strong Trump supporters, actually think he's an asset in any way to the campaign. I'm saying all of this in total seriousness. Curious if any of the Trump backers on this forum think Vance is "good" for the ticket.

 

[Farb]

Maybe you can cite the coordination between Trump and the rioters...oh wait there was none of that.

There are none, but I found a link between Harris and rioters:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...olent-criminals-back-in-spotlight/ar-BB1qqZoK

Court records show that the Harris-endorsed MFF was used to bail out violent criminals, including Shawn Michael Tillman of St. Paul, who was sentenced to life in prison this March for first- and second-degree murder. George Howard, another man that the MFF freed, pleaded guilty in 2023 to second-degree murder for shooting and killing another man in 2021 in Minneapolis.

Very Fine People

 

[Farb]

You say this in jest, I assume, but you are so very correct. JD Vance is a walking/talking disaster. The dude pegs out the "unlikeable" meter and I can't think that anyone, even strong Trump supporters, actually think he's an asset in any way to the campaign. I'm saying all of this in total seriousness. Curious if any of the Trump backers on this forum think Vance is "good" for the ticket.

Yes.

 

[Lapaz]

Thanks! Now can you also post her official platform?

Meh. I'm not aware of an official platform posting for Harris, but I'm good with most of what she has stated, and I'm good with voting against the stated Trump platform. Also, as I recall, Republicans weren't outraged by the lack of a Republican platform in 2020, when their platform was what Trump says it is. It's all a fake outrage, just like Republicans were fake outraged about no interview, when Trump's interviews are a joke and worthless. I agree that she will need to post a platform, but I'm sure this fake outrage about no formal platform will also soon be eliminated when it is posted.

 

[efil4]

Are you saying a politican care about personal clout? My, how evil indeed. LOL.

Since you want me to explain to you about how Trump will implement his platform? I tell you want, you present Harris official platform and then we can go line by line and debate. Where is hers?

Are you against building a wall? Harris is not all the sudden. I am curious on where you stand and can you explain how Harris will build the wall? How will federal housing assistance effect the housing market? Any idea how price control works in the economy and has it been implemented in the past and what are the results?

Hope the tire installation went well for you.

4 Michelin Pilots later ( staggered fit for awd ) - the ride is superb. thx.

Ill be more than happy to debate platforms and the "how" - sooon as you post Trumps. ( i aksed for 2 days ago and you are posting all over right now, so i would imagine you have pretty handy, no? )

 

[Lapaz]

There are none, but I found a link between Harris and rioters:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...olent-criminals-back-in-spotlight/ar-BB1qqZoK

Court records show that the Harris-endorsed MFF was used to bail out violent criminals, including Shawn Michael Tillman of St. Paul, who was sentenced to life in prison this March for first- and second-degree murder. George Howard, another man that the MFF freed, pleaded guilty in 2023 to second-degree murder for shooting and killing another man in 2021 in Minneapolis.

Very Fine People

Harris endorsed an organization that sought to bail out some Floyd protesters, meanwhile Trump advocates to release Jan 6th rioters, and calls white supremists very fine people. Tillman had a right to protest. The crime came later, and Harris had nothing to do with that.

 

[wardorican]

Wait - we were all told she has no policies, lol. First an article comparing what both campaigns have proposed and second the link to the Penn Wharton analysis of Harris’ proposals.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/27/trump-harris-budget-deficit-economy-election.html

The 2024 Harris Campaign Policy Proposals: Budgetary, Economic and Distributional Effects — Penn Wharton Budget Model

We estimate that the Harris Campaign tax and spending proposals would increase primary deficits by $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years on a conventional basis and by $2.0 trillion on a dynamic basis that includes a reduction in economic activity. Lower and middle-income households generally benefit

budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu

To be fair, last week her campaign website had 0 platform or policies listed. I haven't checked since my post last week.

 

[MT15]

Now Trump is blaming the family.

I think this is a new low for him: Rep. Sherrill, Navy vet, on Trump photo-op

Rep. Mikie Sherrill, D-NJ, joins Morning Joe to discuss an incident this week at Arlington National Cemetery with an aide to former President Donald Trump and a cemetery employee and when the Trump team conducted a photo op in violation of federal law in a section where service members killed in...

www.msnbc.com

Of course he is. So, let’s recap. He has blamed his campaign (he didn’t know anything about them taking video or using it in a TikTok), he has blamed the Biden Administration (it was a set-up), he has blamed the Army (he thought it was okay-they didn’t tell me). So why not the families?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

A scathing ad put out by VoteVets. The ending line really punctuates the message; no service member should ever have to salute him as Commander-in-chief again.

man, that needs to be played on a loop on all major networks..

 

[Huntn]

So I follow some evangelicals on Twitter. Most of them are quite ready to ignore Trump’s pro-choice statements as a tactic to win the election. There are some anti-Trump evangelicals, and they are not surprised about his flip flop on abortion because they have always seen him as unprincipled. I do think he will lose a % of the evangelical vote, probably a small % maybe single digit sized. Every little bit helps though. They have been some of his strongest supporters.

Agreed, the object at this point is hopefully fool some people into voting for him.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

There are none, but I found a link between Harris and rioters:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...olent-criminals-back-in-spotlight/ar-BB1qqZoK

Court records show that the Harris-endorsed MFF was used to bail out violent criminals, including Shawn Michael Tillman of St. Paul, who was sentenced to life in prison this March for first- and second-degree murder. George Howard, another man that the MFF freed, pleaded guilty in 2023 to second-degree murder for shooting and killing another man in 2021 in Minneapolis.

Very Fine People

none at all?
are you saying that those terrorists would have still stormed the Capitol that day if Trump wasn't there?

 

[MT15]

To be fair, last week her campaign website had 0 platform or policies listed. I haven't checked since my post last week.

Yeah, I don’t think it’s updated. But she is putting out policies anyway. My post wasn’t directed toward you, but rather Trump supporters who think it’s some kind of “gotcha” that her page isn’t updated while in 2020 the entire GOP just didn’t put out a platform at all.

 

[efil4]

Trump campaign has sued Michigan for attempting to open polling sites to vote.....

At the VA for veterans.

Trump campaign sues Michigan Gov. Whitmer over new voter registration sites

The suit contends the Democratic governor and secretary state are improperly using some federal offices as voter registration sites.

www.nbcnews.com