General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (1 Viewer)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Saint Jack]

Answering a question and rambling is better than hiding and not answering any questions.

But Joy!

No.
Being incoherent and rambling is worse.

 

[LA - L.A.]

And now mics are an issue again...

Trump appears to undercut his campaign’s efforts over microphone rules at debate | CNN Politics

Former President Donald Trump appeared to undercut his campaign’s efforts to keep the same rules in place for his debate against Vice President Kamala Harris next month.

www.cnn.com

From that article:

"Trump’s team, according to a source familiar with the matter, would like for the microphones to be muted throughout the debate except for the candidate whose turn it is to speak, as was the case during the first debate with President Joe Biden."​

Trump's own people don't want Trump to have a live microphone while Harris is speaking. If Trump's own people don't trust him with an open microphone, no one should trust Trump to be president.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Is it me or are the Dems making a deliberate effort not to use the word 'abortion'?

They say "A woman's right to choose", "A woman's right to make decisions about her own body", "right to make her own health care decisions", or "A woman has less rights than her mother", etc.

We all know what they are talking about, we all know how important abortion is for this election, why dance around it?

It's not everyone but it's something I definitely noticed watching the DNC and in interviews since

Because a lot of abortions are a medical necessity as opposed to voluntary. Abortion bans take away the choice of abortion even when it's a medical necessity. Most people only think of voluntary abortions when they hear the word abortion, so I think it's good to avoid using the word. It neutralizes the argument that pro-choice people are only fighting for the right to "voluntarily kill babies in the womb." Voluntary abortion is only one part of the rights that people are fighting for women to have.

 

[fooferdoggie]

At least the guy I'm supporting isn't scared of answering questions or having a press conference. We all know why. She's not smart enough to speak without prepared remarks.

Bully poopy. he does not answer real questions he has to have pre-approved questions. Every time he has real interviews he goes off the rails and then runs off the stage. So ya your guy has a huge yellow streak on his back and feathers all over.

 

[efil4]

I see you shifting the goal posts away from the journalist to deflect.

I gave you "journos" that you have posted from here in the past.

YOUR Journos.

now you move to debating between the two?

So now you want what Trump said about RFK Jr and what RFK Jr said about Trump...in their OWN words?

i can do that for ya too.

BRB

 

[LA - L.A.]

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That's what I get for just looking at the headline and assuming.

So that totally invalidates the point I made. Interesting strategy by Harris, I hope it works. I don't think Harris getting into the back and forth muck with Trump would be good, so she'd have to stay above that.

She's successfully cross examined much more clever people than Trump and gotten the jury to see things her way. She's probably the best suited person to handle a hostile witness like Trump and turn it to her advantage in the eyes of the jury of American voters. Plus, debates are not about winning the election. Debates are about getting clips to use in the ads that will help win an election. Trump with an open microphone will give Harris-Walz a treasure trove of clips to use in ads against Trump.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Why does Harris want to change the rules for the debate now that's its already been agreed to?

Because contrary to the spamming you've been doing, Harris is a well spoken person and she has full confidence that with open microphones the majority of Americans will come away from the debate with a more favorable impression of her than Trump.

 

[efil4]

ooops...looks like RFK Jr got is candidates mixed up:



Whats that Trump? RFK Jr is "radical leftist" - good to know!



3 months ago when Trump THOUGHT RFK Jr was siphoning votes from Biden- whooops



Finally, DonOLD, tell us how you really feel ( April 2024 )

 

[SaintForLife]

I gave you "journos" that you have posted from here in the past.

YOUR Journos.

now you move to debating between the two?

So now you want what Trump said about RFK Jr and what RFK Jr said about Trump...in their OWN words?

i can do that for ya too.

BRB

Are you confused? I've never posted anything from Kirk or Hannity and I wouldn't consider them journalists. They are partisan commentators and idiots as well.

It's funny that you think you got all these gotchas, but you can barely form coherent sentences. Is that you Kamala?

 

[LA - L.A.]

This is a dumb request by her team. Debate as agreed to and move on. The mute button isn't why Biden dropped out after the 1st debate.

By making the request Harris-Walz accomplished two things already:

• Got everyone talking about how Trump's team doesn't want Trump to have an always live microphone
• Put Trump's team in a position of telling Trump that they don't want him to have something he lives for having

Harris-Walz are in a win-win situation and Trump's team is in a lose-lose situation, just from Harris-Walz asking to change the rules. It was another in a long list of brilliant moves by Harris-Walz. There was nothing dumb about it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Former President Trump said Tesla CEO Elon Musk would probably be too busy to serve in his Cabinet if he wins the election in November but suggested the billionaire tech mogul could “consult.”

“He wants to be involved. Now, look, he’s running big businesses and all that, so, he can’t really — I don’t think he’d be [free] for the Cabinet,” Trump said in an interview on the “Shawn Ryan Show.”

“I’d put him in the Cabinet, absolutely, but I don’t know how he could do that with all the things he’s got going,” he continued. “But he could sort of, as the expression goes, consult with the country and give you some very good ideas.”……..

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/4847594-trump-musk-probably-too-busy-to-serve-in-cabinet-but-could-consult/

 

[coldseat]

By making the request Harris-Walz accomplished two things already:

• Got everyone talking about how Trump's team doesn't want Trump to have an always live microphone
• Put Trump's team in a position of telling Trump that they don't want him to have something he lives for having

Harris-Walz are in a win-win situation and Trump's team is in a lose-lose situation, just from Harris-Walz asking to change the rules. It was another in a long list of brilliant moves by Harris-Walz. There was nothing dumb about it.

I'll definitely agree with you there. It makes Harris look like she's willing to take Trump on. And it puts Trump and his team both on the defensive and like there's schism between Trump and his team by making it look like Trump's team is scared of his mouth. It puts Harris in the position of strength.

 

[LA - L.A.]

LOL aint no fun when the rabbits got the gun.

It's even less fun when it's got the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Actually Trump wants the same rules as the debate against Biden, so he won't be able to talk over Harris.

Just so you're better informed. Actually, Trump wants the microphones not to be muted so he can talk over Harris. Trump's entire life says he's speaking the truth when he says that. It's Trump's team that doesn't want Trump to have the microphones muted so Trump can't speak over Harris.

 

[SaintForLife]

The polls say otherwise. Sorry it hurts your feelings.

Oh for real?

...Here at the Democratic convention this week, some in the party’s professional class are trying to tamp down the exuberance. Officials with the top pro-Harris super PAC said their polling “is much less rosy” than public surveys. Other Democratic pollsters noted that — even if their polling is right — Trump still maintains a lot of advantages.

...There are plenty of warning signs hidden in the data: A poll commissioned by the Democratic messaging firm Navigator Research and unveiled during the convention showed Harris and Trump essentially tied across the swing-state map. And the candidate characteristics that are best correlated with voters’ preferences — whether a candidate is up to the job, has the right vision and is a strong leader — generally favored Trump in the survey.

And then there’s the prospect of another polling error.

Polls underestimated Trump in both 2020 and 2016. Back in 2021, when the Democratic pollsters announced their joint effort, some had hoped that the former president’s hard-to-measure appeal would be negated if he wasn’t on the ballot in 2024.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I don't want the mics live. It would become an unintelligible mess.

Have you ever tried to speak while someone was constantly yapping at you? If you have, then you know how hard it is to stay focused. Biden heard Trump yapping at him the entire time he was trying to speak during the first debate. Biden could hear Trump, but we couldn't.

High information voters need to hear what Trump is yapping at Harris while she's trying to speak. If voters don't hear that, then it lowers the amount of information they have about Trump.

 

[LA - L.A.]

“Our understanding is that Trump’s handlers prefer the muted microphone because they don’t think their candidate can act presidential for 90 minutes on his own. We suspect Trump’s team has not even told their boss about this dispute because it would be too embarrassing to admit they don’t think he can handle himself against Vice President Harris without the benefit of a mute button,” he said.

They want Trump to be able to ramble on about Hannibal Lecter, theoretical post birth abortions, and other nonsense.

Harris-Walz also want everyone to hear what Trump will be yapping at her the entire time she's speaking. We all need to hear that to be highly informed on who Trump is and Harris needs it to use in ads against Trump.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I'll definitely agree with you there. It makes Harris look like she's willing to take Trump on. And it puts Trump and his team both on the defensive and like there's schism between Trump and his team by making it look like Trump's team is scared of his mouth. It puts Harris in the position of strength.

To me it's more about controlling the reporting versus reacting to it. Harris-Walz has focused the reporting on the debate on Trump-Vance. The press profits off of drama, so their reporting is hypercritical to create drama. That's why it's really important to keep the press's attention on Trump-Vance. Keep the hypercritical reporting on Trump-Vance. Harris-Walz's campaign team is the most traditional and social media savvy team I've ever seen. They made the DNC more like a festival than a political event, and traditional and social media loved it.