FBI official under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe (DOJ IG Report thread) (1 Viewer)

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Washington (CNN) —

An FBI official is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance of a Trump campaign adviser, several people briefed on the matter told CNN.

The possibility of a substantive change to an investigative document is likely to fuel accusations from President Donald Trump and his allies that the FBI committed wrongdoing in its investigation of connections between Russian election meddling and the Trump campaign.

The finding is expected to be part of Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz's review of the FBI's effort to obtain warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act on Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide. Horowitz will release the report next month.

Horowitz turned over evidence on the allegedly altered document to John Durham, the federal prosecutor appointed early this year by Attorney General William Barr to conduct a broad investigation of intelligence gathered for the Russia probe by the CIA and other agencies, including the FBI. The altered document is also at least one focus of Durham's criminal probe.

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A former FBI lawyer is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance of a Trump campaign adviser, several people briefed on the matter told CNN.

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Terrible if true. Trump will obviously seize upon this.

 

[SaintForLife]

So are you saying for something to be debunked, all you need is someone involved to deny it happened?

Are you denying that Trump lied about that meeting? We have emails from Trump Jr., saying the meeting was about incriminating information about Hillary Clinton. Are you saying, that just because one of the participants in that meeting said that it was only about adoptions, that Mueller should just take that person at their word and ignore the email traffic?

Mueller cited that same witness in his report, but he omitted the things that same witness said that contradicted what Mueller was claiming. Does that sound above the board to you? If Mueller cited him in his report then obviously Mueller thought he was credible. Mueller also got search warrants on Manafort, Kusnher, and Trump Jr due to the Trump Tower meeting eventhough he knew his source verified what Trump Jr said about the meeting was accurate. Mueller left that out of his report.

Also that same witness worked for the State Department for over 10 years.


Yeah we all know he lied about the meeting. Has anyone here denied that to be the case?

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Mueller cited that same witness in his report, but he omitted the things that same witness said that contradicted what Mueller was claiming. Does that sound above the board to you? If Mueller cited him in his report then obviously Mueller thought he was credible. Mueller also got search warrants on Manafort, Kusnher, and Trump Jr due to the Trump Tower meeting eventhough he knew his source verified what Trump Jr said about the meeting was accurate. Mueller left that out of his report.

So, I'm trying to read the interview with Samochornov and see what contradicts with what was in the Mueller report.

Also that same witness worked for the State Department for over 10 years.

Sure, but Hillary Clinton also worked for the State Department -- and we know she'd never fudge things to make sure she didn't get in trouble, right?

Yeah we all know he lied about the meeting. Has anyone here denied that to be the case?

It kind of seems that way when you seem hell bent on trying to prove that there was no reason at all to suspect that things weren't above board with Trump, and seem to place all the blame on people taking a conspiracy theory mindset to the Russia investigation while never mentioning that Trump repeatedly lied to the American public, investigators, directing people to lie on his behalf to investigators, and then lying about his lies. You seem to act like there was no reason to think that Trump is hiding something and there was zero evidence, and that Trump responded perfectly appropriately to the charges.

 

[SaintForLife]

So, I'm trying to read the interview with Samochornov and see what contradicts with what was in the Mueller report.



Sure, but Hillary Clinton also worked for the State Department -- and we know she'd never fudge things to make sure she didn't get in trouble, right?



It kind of seems that way when you seem hell bent on trying to prove that there was no reason at all to suspect that things weren't above board with Trump, and seem to place all the blame on people taking a conspiracy theory mindset to the Russia investigation while never mentioning that Trump repeatedly lied to the American public, investigators, directing people to lie on his behalf to investigators, and then lying about his lies. You seem to act like there was no reason to think that Trump is hiding something and there was zero evidence, and that Trump responded perfectly appropriately to the charges.

Nope. What I'm saying is that Mueller knew very quickly that there was no collusion with Russia and the election, but he extended the investigation as long as possible, inserted elaborate narratives in his indictments that would lead one to believe there was collusion(while providing zero evidence for those claims). The FBI's Crossfire Hurricane told him right away that Trump was not a suspect.

Mueller also knew that nothing happened at the Trump Tower meeting, but he used that meeting to get search warrants on other Trump campaign officials. He left out information in his report that contradicted some of his findings.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Nope. What I'm saying is that Mueller knew very quickly that there was no collusion with Russia and the election, but he extended the investigation as long as possible, inserted elaborate narratives in his indictments that would lead one to believe there was collusion(while providing zero evidence for those claims). The FBI's Crossfire Hurricane told him right away that Trump was not a suspect.

Mueller also knew that nothing happened at the Trump Tower meeting, but he used that meeting to get search warrants on other Trump campaign officials. He left out information in his report that contradicted some of his findings.

Wait...no collusion specifically with Trump or are you trying to say no collusion at all with any Trump campaign staff?

 

[SaintForLife]

Wait...no collusion specifically with Trump or are you trying to say no collusion at all with any Trump campaign staff?

No collusion or conspiracy with Trump or any of his campaign staff with Russia in regards to the election.

 

[samiam5211]

No collusion or conspiracy with Trump or any of his campaign staff with Russia in regards to the election.

Do you think Don Jr thought the meeting was about adoptions when he agreed to attend it?

 

[SaintForLife]

Do you think Don Jr thought the meeting was about adoptions when he agreed to attend it?

Are you going with attempted or almost collusion?

 

[The moose]

This is a great thread to hide in while the stock market dumps and the fumble of the virus is crippling our nation.

 

[brandon]

Are you going with attempted or almost collusion?

Is attempted murder still a crime?

 

[JimEverett]

Is attempted murder still a crime?

There is no attempted conspiracy, though. Because conspiracy is essentially an attempt crime. So, if there is no conspiracy, there is no attempt.

 

[samiam5211]

Are you going with attempted or almost collusion?

If someone was under investigation for dealing drugs, and you found out that they were attending a meeting that they thought was about a potential supplier, but that it turned out they had been duped and it was really a meeting about adoptions, would it prove that they weren’t dealing drugs?

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Nope. What I'm saying is that Mueller knew very quickly that there was no collusion with Russia and the election, but he extended the investigation as long as possible, inserted elaborate narratives in his indictments that would lead one to believe there was collusion(while providing zero evidence for those claims). The FBI's Crossfire Hurricane told him right away that Trump was not a suspect.

Mueller also knew that nothing happened at the Trump Tower meeting, but he used that meeting to get search warrants on other Trump campaign officials. He left out information in his report that contradicted some of his findings.

Where are you getting the idea that Mueller knew from the beginning that there was no collusion with Russia and the election? Are you basing that on Mueller telling Rosenstein that Trump was not a suspect? Or was there something else? Because that aren't even remotely the same thing.

 

[SaintForLife]

Where are you getting the idea that Mueller knew from the beginning that there was no collusion with Russia and the election? Are you basing that on Mueller telling Rosenstein that Trump was not a suspect? Or was there something else? Because that aren't even remotely the same thing.

The FBI Crossfire Hurricane team and Comey both told Rosenstein that Trump wasn't a suspect. Mueller also knew that the FISA warrant on Page was BS and that nothing happened during the Trump Tower meeting.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

The FBI Crossfire Hurricane team and Comey both told Rosenstein that Trump wasn't a suspect. Mueller also knew that the FISA warrant on Page was BS and that nothing happened during the Trump Tower meeting.

So, first, neither of those equals knowing that there was no collusion, right? Second, you're going to have to cite your sources that show that Mueller knew that nothing happened during the Trump Tower.

It's weird, it seems like you are hell bent on being as ridiculous over the top in your conclusions that the most extreme anti-Trump members were in theirs.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I probably shouldn't say that you "have to" cite your sources, you don't have to do anything. But I don't think you've made a convincing case that Mueller knew that everything was above board and there was nothing to investigate.

Saying that Trump was not a suspect early in the investigation does not mean that they believed that they had nothing to investigate with regards to Russian election interference and those efforts possible links to the Trump campaign.

Second, learning that at the Trump Tower meeting the people there did not have dirt on Hillary Clinton, does not mean that the Trump campaign was not looking for dirt on the Hillary Clinton, and were willing to get it from Russia. Basically, it was established that the Trump campaign was willing to meet with representatives of the Russian government, but the Russians just didn't have anything to offer. Obviously that isn't evidence of wrong-doing by the Trump campaign, but it's not exonerating either, right? What would have been exonerating is if it was reported that Russia offered to provide dirt on Clinton in exchange for something and the Trump campaign then refused. That would be exonerating, but that did not happen.

 

[Dadsdream]

Oh, isn't this just ducky? They better hurry up. November is fast approaching.

"Special Counsel Mueller prepared his report with the expectation that Congress would review it," the opinion said. "The Committee's particularized need for the grand jury materials remains unchanged. The Committee has repeatedly state that if the grand jury materials reveal new evidence of impeachable offenses, the Committee may recommend new articles of impeachment."

House wins access to Mueller grand jury details, appeals court rules

The House of Representatives has won access to secret grand jury material gathered in former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation and cited in the Mueller report, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on Tuesday.

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[The moose]

Oh, isn't this just ducky? They better hurry up. November is fast approaching.

"Special Counsel Mueller prepared his report with the expectation that Congress would review it," the opinion said. "The Committee's particularized need for the grand jury materials remains unchanged. The Committee has repeatedly state that if the grand jury materials reveal new evidence of impeachable offenses, the Committee may recommend new articles of impeachment."

House wins access to Mueller grand jury details, appeals court rules

The House of Representatives has won access to secret grand jury material gathered in former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation and cited in the Mueller report, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on Tuesday.

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Nah just getting ready to lock him up after he is out of office.

He is in a world of crap if he doesn't win.

 

[SaintForLife]

So, first, neither of those equals knowing that there was no collusion, right? Second, you're going to have to cite your sources that show that Mueller knew that nothing happened during the Trump Tower.

It's weird, it seems like you are hell bent on being as ridiculous over the top in your conclusions that the most extreme anti-Trump members were in theirs.

Seriously? Cite my sources? You responded to my post where I did exactly that. The tweets included screen shots of the FBI files and I linked to the actual FBI files as well.