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    I would like some layman answers to the question "How does Trump have so much support, right now"? The final two word are important context.

    I somewhat understand how he became a "force" prior to the 2016 election. There were many factors that allowed him to gain steam. Anti-establishment and not being a true politician was a big turn on to some voters on the right at the time. He talked a good game and somehow found a way to the Presidency despite acting "unpresidential". Trump's time in office had some victories for the Republicans and the economy was humming prior to COVID.....but the shirt show that happened on a daily basis with him firing executive staff (that didn't agree with him) and the overall chaos that was the White House certainly should've had an effect on his supporters. This was all BEFORE losing the 2020 election and what ensued. What happened after the 2020 election is well documented and, in my opinion, should have buried him as a candidate for office for eternity.

    With ALL of what happened since the 2020 election, how can he still have half of the country (give or take) as supporters? Had all the election denying, countless gaffs, and the attempt to circumvent the Constitution had not occurred and had he regrouped and formed a strategy to compete in 2024, I could see a lot of his supporters continuing to follow him and his message. But I can't get how so many Americans can overlook what happened in front of their own eyes. I am truly bewildered.

    I realize this is a mostly left leaning community, so maybe you folks do not have a clue either but would like to hear opinions. Especially, if you still support Trump through all of the mess.
     
    J-DONK said:
    He also doesn't understand that rhetoric, and legislation are two extremely different things.

    Republicans love to campaign on the border. They have no vested interest in passing legislation. This was made apparent this year.

    He has to create hypothetical scenario's were Republicans would actually pass a bill in odd numbered years. Then he can blame Democrats.
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    There's also this semantic argument about if the border is open or not. What Democrats often say is the border isn't open like Republicans claim. When a Democrat says the border isn't open they will then claim Democrats are saying there's no problem. That's not the point they are making, and anyone being intellectually honest knows that.
     
    Infoman said:
    My whole point is that no one fixes any problem... That they can campaign on next year to divide and farm your vote... I blame both sides... They both play that game... It's a game that gets played at the expense of American lives... It will not change until we take these neat boxes they want to stuff everyone into... and burn them.

    I couldn't care less about the rhetoric or toothless token legislation that gets tossed around in bad faith...

    And neither of my scenarios were hypothetical...
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    The Democrats passed a slew of bipartisan laws when they had control of congress with Biden to fix problems. When Obama became president and they had filibuster proof control in the Senate, they passed the ACA to fix problems. What are you talking about?

    What are the laws that Republicans have passed to fix problems when they had control? You probably don't even remember this, but when Trump was president in 2017 and they had control of congress, there was a bipartisan immigration bill with Democrats that protected DACA and even paid partially for a wall and Trump killed it. Democrats were ready to vote for it. Trump has killed 2 immigration bills, but he's the one that's going to fix the border? Americans are freaking stupid.

    This is so frustrating.
     
    Infoman said:
    I never said they are exactly the same... They are both power driven, lying, gaslighting, talking loud but saying nothing shirt sacks... Just executed in very different ways... You say there was a clear choice... I say the choice was never really given to us.... I will continue to choose to be unburdened by what has been.... and put all my effort into what can be.... (yeah, I said it)
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    That was clever wordplay. But not voting seems to be the absence of action. What are you doing to make changes for the better?

    All right I missed the part where you said you vote third party. Which party has your vote then? What do they stand for?
     
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    SystemShock said:
    ... and this is why Democrats lose elections, because people like this lady the people this lady is talking to are more concerned with what's happening on a strip of desert on the other side of the world, than concerned with what's happening in their own house, and why the U.S. is again under MAGA rule.
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    I think this video was made when Israel and voting 'uncommitted' was in the news a lot

    She could have used any number of issues to make the exact same point which was simply a Democrat was going to win or a Republican was going to win.

    That's it. And no amount of 3rd party voting, protest voting or not voting was going to change that

    The point was that either Trump or Harris (at the time of video Biden) was going to be elected. Those were the choices

    and as she put it, "you make not like the reality of your choices, but that doesn't change the fact that they are the reality of your choices"
     
    Bayouboy said:
    I would like some layman answers to the question "How does Trump have so much support, right now"? The final two word are important context.

    I somewhat understand how he became a "force" prior to the 2016 election. There were many factors that allowed him to gain steam. Anti-establishment and not being a true politician was a big turn on to some voters on the right at the time. He talked a good game and somehow found a way to the Presidency despite acting "unpresidential". Trump's time in office had some victories for the Republicans and the economy was humming prior to COVID.....but the shirt show that happened on a daily basis with him firing executive staff (that didn't agree with him) and the overall chaos that was the White House certainly should've had an effect on his supporters. This was all BEFORE losing the 2020 election and what ensued. What happened after the 2020 election is well documented and, in my opinion, should have buried him as a candidate for office for eternity.

    With ALL of what happened since the 2020 election, how can he still have half of the country (give or take) as supporters? Had all the election denying, countless gaffs, and the attempt to circumvent the Constitution had not occurred and had he regrouped and formed a strategy to compete in 2024, I could see a lot of his supporters continuing to follow him and his message. But I can't get how so many Americans can overlook what happened in front of their own eyes. I am truly bewildered.

    I realize this is a mostly left leaning community, so maybe you folks do not have a clue either but would like to hear opinions. Especially, if you still support Trump through all of the mess.
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    this thread has gone on for many pages. The answer is easy

    Cult of personality - Wikipedia

    en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

    Trump has it. Other Maga leaders do not
     

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