Explain how Trump has so much support (1 Viewer)

[Bayouboy]

I would like some layman answers to the question "How does Trump have so much support, right now"? The final two word are important context.

I somewhat understand how he became a "force" prior to the 2016 election. There were many factors that allowed him to gain steam. Anti-establishment and not being a true politician was a big turn on to some voters on the right at the time. He talked a good game and somehow found a way to the Presidency despite acting "unpresidential". Trump's time in office had some victories for the Republicans and the economy was humming prior to COVID.....but the shirt show that happened on a daily basis with him firing executive staff (that didn't agree with him) and the overall chaos that was the White House certainly should've had an effect on his supporters. This was all BEFORE losing the 2020 election and what ensued. What happened after the 2020 election is well documented and, in my opinion, should have buried him as a candidate for office for eternity.

With ALL of what happened since the 2020 election, how can he still have half of the country (give or take) as supporters? Had all the election denying, countless gaffs, and the attempt to circumvent the Constitution had not occurred and had he regrouped and formed a strategy to compete in 2024, I could see a lot of his supporters continuing to follow him and his message. But I can't get how so many Americans can overlook what happened in front of their own eyes. I am truly bewildered.

I realize this is a mostly left leaning community, so maybe you folks do not have a clue either but would like to hear opinions. Especially, if you still support Trump through all of the mess.

 

[Sendai]

Yes, that is the inane argument you're making, that I already addressed specifically as the rhetoric around it clearly illustrated what the actual intent was, and generally.

Not sure why you thought just repeating it would help. It didn't.

You seem to have difficulty understanding that over a billion Muslims weren’t banned. And eight specific countries with ill will that happened to be predominantly Muslim isn’t a global ban n Muslims.

 

[MT15]

You seem to have difficulty understanding that over a billion Muslims weren’t banned. And eight specific countries with ill will that happened to be predominantly Muslim isn’t a global ban n Muslims.

So because Hitler didn’t target American Jews, he didn’t actually have a problem with Jews? After all there were hundreds of thousands of Jewish people in the US that weren’t targeted by Hitler.

That’s your argument?

Ignoring that Christians from the targeted countries weren’t banned, but were welcomed.

You actually don’t believe in freedom of religion and a lot of other ideals from our Constitution.

 

[RobF]

So because Hitler didn’t target American Jews, he didn’t actually have a problem with Jews? After all there were hundreds of thousands of Jewish people in the US that weren’t targeted by Hitler.

That’s your argument?

Ignoring that Christians from the targeted countries weren’t banned, but were welcomed.

You actually don’t believe in freedom of religion and a lot of other ideals from our Constitution.

How gullible does someone have to be to buy the line that the targeted countries "happened to be" predominantly Muslim?

I mean, even leaving aside that they repeatedly said the quiet bit out loud.

Sendai competing with Joe for the crown of most "totally not right wing but just happen to swallow every line they drop" guy there.

 

[DaveXA]

How gullible does someone have to be to buy the line that the targeted countries "happened to be" predominantly Muslim?

I mean, even leaving aside that they repeatedly said the quiet bit out loud.

Sendai competing with Joe for the crown of most "totally not right wing but just happen to swallow every line they drop" guy there.

Pretty much. This mushy morality too many conservatives use is full of hypocrisy.

 

[bird]

You seem to have difficulty understanding that over a billion Muslims weren’t banned. And eight specific countries with ill will that happened to be predominantly Muslim isn’t a global ban n Muslims.

You seem to have a problem understanding that Trump wanted to ban all Muslims but when he couldn’t he specifically overlooked Saudi Arabia. That also applied to Bush2. Beyond that the people of those countries are not the government of those countries. Even more you overlook that the threat from our own RWNJs is far more likely than individual Muslims.

 

[TampaJoe]

So because Hitler didn’t target American Jews, he didn’t actually have a problem with Jews? After all there were hundreds of thousands of Jewish people in the US that weren’t targeted by Hitler.

That’s your argument?

Ignoring that Christians from the targeted countries weren’t banned, but were welcomed.

You actually don’t believe in freedom of religion and a lot of other ideals from our Constitution.

What are you arguing? What’s your point? I get that Sendai is pointing out that it’s possible that the travel ban might have been targeted at terrorists and not Muslims in general. So are you disagreeing?

 

[MT15]

Pretty much. This mushy morality too many conservatives use is full of hypocrisy.

Full blown abandonment of our Constitution and Bill of Rights isn’t any kind of morality, I would argue. It’s just support for authoritarianism.

 

[DaveXA]

Full blown abandonment of our Constitution and Bill of Rights isn’t any kind of morality, I would argue. It’s just support for authoritarianism.

It's certainly not, but they use their warped sense of morality to justify their actions all the time.

 

[bird]

The problem with “morality” is twofold. The first is that it is focused almost exclusively on sex to the exclusion of almost anything else borrowed from the Torah and/or NT. That means that the responsibility part of the law is ignored. The second is that morality is always “for thee, not for me” otherwise the RW would have prevented Trump from running the first time.

Of course, there are copious laws regarding theft, killing, perjury etc but they only apply, generally, to the poor. Wealth is a free pass for actions causing damage to the poor. The laws derive in the long past to scripture but more recently to the enlightenment.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Optimus Prime]

How is this possible??

 

[coldseat]

How is this possible??

More proof that it was never about the economy. It was about the hate.

The hate is off the charts right now, that's why Republican voters love Trump so much.

 

[UriUT]

More proof that it was never about the economy. It was about the hate.

The hate is off the charts right now, that's why Republican voters love Trump so much.

I think that's the same poll that I saw last week from nbcnews. Trump is a net negative in practically every category that were asked. Except, immigration, which was a +12. Further still, while perception of dems congressmen were down considerably from dem respondents, the opposite is true of republican congressman. Republicans are enthusiastic about what congress is doing.

With that in mind, Republicans and right leaning independents truly are embracing this hate parade, and ignoring the incompetence and cruelty. The driving force is xenophobia. And that's not just Republicans.

 

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