Explain how Trump has so much support (1 Viewer)

[Bayouboy]

I would like some layman answers to the question "How does Trump have so much support, right now"? The final two word are important context.

I somewhat understand how he became a "force" prior to the 2016 election. There were many factors that allowed him to gain steam. Anti-establishment and not being a true politician was a big turn on to some voters on the right at the time. He talked a good game and somehow found a way to the Presidency despite acting "unpresidential". Trump's time in office had some victories for the Republicans and the economy was humming prior to COVID.....but the shirt show that happened on a daily basis with him firing executive staff (that didn't agree with him) and the overall chaos that was the White House certainly should've had an effect on his supporters. This was all BEFORE losing the 2020 election and what ensued. What happened after the 2020 election is well documented and, in my opinion, should have buried him as a candidate for office for eternity.

With ALL of what happened since the 2020 election, how can he still have half of the country (give or take) as supporters? Had all the election denying, countless gaffs, and the attempt to circumvent the Constitution had not occurred and had he regrouped and formed a strategy to compete in 2024, I could see a lot of his supporters continuing to follow him and his message. But I can't get how so many Americans can overlook what happened in front of their own eyes. I am truly bewildered.

I realize this is a mostly left leaning community, so maybe you folks do not have a clue either but would like to hear opinions. Especially, if you still support Trump through all of the mess.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

He also doesn't understand that rhetoric, and legislation are two extremely different things.

Republicans love to campaign on the border. They have no vested interest in passing legislation. This was made apparent this year.

He has to create hypothetical scenario's were Republicans would actually pass a bill in odd numbered years. Then he can blame Democrats.

There's also this semantic argument about if the border is open or not. What Democrats often say is the border isn't open like Republicans claim. When a Democrat says the border isn't open they will then claim Democrats are saying there's no problem. That's not the point they are making, and anyone being intellectually honest knows that.

 

[coldseat]

My whole point is that no one fixes any problem... That they can campaign on next year to divide and farm your vote... I blame both sides... They both play that game... It's a game that gets played at the expense of American lives... It will not change until we take these neat boxes they want to stuff everyone into... and burn them.

I couldn't care less about the rhetoric or toothless token legislation that gets tossed around in bad faith...

And neither of my scenarios were hypothetical...

The Democrats passed a slew of bipartisan laws when they had control of congress with Biden to fix problems. When Obama became president and they had filibuster proof control in the Senate, they passed the ACA to fix problems. What are you talking about?

What are the laws that Republicans have passed to fix problems when they had control? You probably don't even remember this, but when Trump was president in 2017 and they had control of congress, there was a bipartisan immigration bill with Democrats that protected DACA and even paid partially for a wall and Trump killed it. Democrats were ready to vote for it. Trump has killed 2 immigration bills, but he's the one that's going to fix the border? Americans are freaking stupid.

This is so frustrating.

 

[MT15]

I never said they are exactly the same... They are both power driven, lying, gaslighting, talking loud but saying nothing shirt sacks... Just executed in very different ways... You say there was a clear choice... I say the choice was never really given to us.... I will continue to choose to be unburdened by what has been.... and put all my effort into what can be.... (yeah, I said it)

That was clever wordplay. But not voting seems to be the absence of action. What are you doing to make changes for the better?

All right I missed the part where you said you vote third party. Which party has your vote then? What do they stand for?

 

[Optimus Prime]

... and this is why Democrats lose elections, because people like this lady the people this lady is talking to are more concerned with what's happening on a strip of desert on the other side of the world, than concerned with what's happening in their own house, and why the U.S. is again under MAGA rule.

I think this video was made when Israel and voting 'uncommitted' was in the news a lot

She could have used any number of issues to make the exact same point which was simply a Democrat was going to win or a Republican was going to win.

That's it. And no amount of 3rd party voting, protest voting or not voting was going to change that

The point was that either Trump or Harris (at the time of video Biden) was going to be elected. Those were the choices

and as she put it, "you make not like the reality of your choices, but that doesn't change the fact that they are the reality of your choices"

 

[brandon]

My whole point is that no one fixes any problem... That they can campaign on next year to divide and farm your vote... I blame both sides...

Which third party has fixed any problems?

 

[faceman]

I would like some layman answers to the question "How does Trump have so much support, right now"? The final two word are important context.

I somewhat understand how he became a "force" prior to the 2016 election. There were many factors that allowed him to gain steam. Anti-establishment and not being a true politician was a big turn on to some voters on the right at the time. He talked a good game and somehow found a way to the Presidency despite acting "unpresidential". Trump's time in office had some victories for the Republicans and the economy was humming prior to COVID.....but the shirt show that happened on a daily basis with him firing executive staff (that didn't agree with him) and the overall chaos that was the White House certainly should've had an effect on his supporters. This was all BEFORE losing the 2020 election and what ensued. What happened after the 2020 election is well documented and, in my opinion, should have buried him as a candidate for office for eternity.

With ALL of what happened since the 2020 election, how can he still have half of the country (give or take) as supporters? Had all the election denying, countless gaffs, and the attempt to circumvent the Constitution had not occurred and had he regrouped and formed a strategy to compete in 2024, I could see a lot of his supporters continuing to follow him and his message. But I can't get how so many Americans can overlook what happened in front of their own eyes. I am truly bewildered.

I realize this is a mostly left leaning community, so maybe you folks do not have a clue either but would like to hear opinions. Especially, if you still support Trump through all of the mess.

this thread has gone on for many pages. The answer is easy

Cult of personality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Trump has it. Other Maga leaders do not

 

[faceman]

these brothers were ahead of their time. We all need to get it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

these brothers were ahead of their time. We all need to get it.

President CM Punk? I'll take it.

 

[faceman]

why you l

President CM Punk? I'll take it.

He'd be better than trump

 

[faceman]

President CM Punk? I'll take it.

we forgot this message as well




vote for me i'll set you free.

Rap on brother. Rap on

 

[cuddlemonkey]

why you l

He'd be better than trump

Not a high bar, to be fair.

 

[faceman]

Not a high bar, to be fair.

True, but the questions remains. Why do so many fall for the cult of personality? It's prevalent throughout
history. Trump isn't the first to have it

The good side is no current Maga member has it. We'll return to normal soon

 

[bird]

Goodbye to all that: From an American who has lost his country

Farewell reflections from an American who has now lost his country: I quit the GOP 13 years ago. That wasn't enough

www.salon.com

A longish read but well worth it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I agree, Trump’s the guy at the bar alright. The country decided “this guy should be running things”
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British actor Fiennes, whose credits include Schindler’s List, Harry Potter and new drama Conclave, has mused on how Trump came out top in the election race – and said he believes it’s because Trump has a “remarkable gift” as a storyteller.

When asked why people are “drawn to institutions and leaders who seek to roll things back”, Fiennes told The Guardian:”I think it comes back to a story and how it’s put out. Trump told a story.

“The way he described the problem with America and what he could do, was a story. He has a remarkable gift for talking and accessing people’s deeper gut feelings. And the story in its simplicity appealed.”

The actor continued: “Whatever you think of the horror of the language and the racism and sexism that we all identify on the liberal side, it speaks to people. He’s the man in the bar who says: ‘I’ll get rid of this s***. We’ll make your lives better.’

Fiennes said that Trump’s win “was a visceral response to a man saying: ‘I’m going to sort it for you,’” adding: “Basically, his story won.”

The actor suggested that the Democrats “were increasingly perceived as a sort of removed elite” with a story that “wasn’t put across very strongly”.

“Trump told the best story, whether you like it or not,” Fiennes said, with his Conclave co-star Stanley Tucci stating: “By simplifying everything, he distilled it down to ideas that were very easy for people to grasp.

“He just played on everyone’s fears and he did what so many fascistic-minded people do, which is find a scapegoat: immigrants. It’s always the other. So people go: that’s why I have no money, because of that guy. It’s not true, at all. But it works. It’s worked before and it worked again.”…….

Ralph Fiennes says Trump’s ‘remarkable gift’ helped him win US election

‘Harry Potter’ actor has a theory about how Trump beat Kamala Harris

www.independent.co.uk

 

[coldseat]

“He just played on everyone’s fears and he did what so many fascistic-minded people do, which is find a scapegoat: immigrants. It’s always the other. So people go: that’s why I have no money, because of that guy. It’s not true, at all. But it works. It’s worked before and it worked again.”…….

This is partly true, we see that in people like Poppy on this board. She probably thinks the economy is miraculously better just because Trump won. But it wasn't a good or fantastic story. It was a stupid story for a stupid society that would rather demonize groups of people, because it makes them feel better, than solve its problems with competent people in charge. Fear wins in ignorance.

 

[MT15]

This is partly true, we see that in people like Poppy on this board. She probably thinks the economy is miraculously better just because Trump won. But it wasn't a good or fantastic story. It was a stupid story for a stupid society that would rather demonize groups of people, because it makes them feel better, than solve its problems with competent people in charge. Fear wins in ignorance.

Here is what I don’t get, and I suppose I never will. My BS meter pegged from the very first time I ever heard Trump speak. He’s so very obviously a liar, how is it that he fools people? His ignorance was just as obvious. I will never get it.

 

[bird]

Here is what I don’t get, and I suppose I never will. My BS meter pegged from the very first time I ever heard Trump speak. He’s so very obviously a liar, how is it that he fools people? His ignorance was just as obvious. I will never get it.

Yup. Also a liar with a fourth grade vocabulary and an enormous, easily bruised ego.

 

[DaveXA]

Here is what I don’t get, and I suppose I never will. My BS meter pegged from the very first time I ever heard Trump speak. He’s so very obviously a liar, how is it that he fools people? His ignorance was just as obvious. I will never get it.

They don't care that he's a liar...at all.