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    This is becoming a talking point or will be soon. I personally have no issue with medical assisted suicide in a hospice care environment. There is a push, and this is in Canada, to include the mentally ill, disabled, and even the homeless. That I cannot get behind. What does everyone else think about it?

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...-of-abuse-is-becoming-ever-more-apparent.html

    How does the unthinkable become not only thinkable, but seemingly inevitable? How do we normalize things we recently considered not just abnormal, but horrifying?

    The question arises because a major Canadian medical organization is pushing the idea of allowing doctors to do something that’s long been considered unthinkable and abnormal: killing infants who are born with conditions that make survival impossible.

    The Quebec College of Physicians made the case for this before a parliamentary committee studying changes to Canada’s law on medical assistance in dying (MAID), a.k.a. assisted suicide.

    To be clear, the college’s proposal involves only newborns with severe malformations whose chance for life is “basically nil.” It wouldn’t be a license to kill babies. But let’s also be clear about this: authorizing doctors to actively euthanize infants — rather than allowing nature to take its course — does cross a line once thought inviolable.


    The college suggests blurring things in other ways, too. It supports extending MAID to “mature minors,” i.e. teenagers aged 14 to 17, and wants us to think about allowing euthanasia for old people who are just “tired of living.”

    Now, Canada’s laws on MAID have long been stretched far beyond the original (and praiseworthy) concept of sparing terminally ill people from unnecessary agony at the end of their lives, allowing a so-called “death with dignity.” When the law was passed in 2016 it didn’t specify that a person must be terminally ill to qualify for a medically assisted death, and last year it was amended to remove the requirement that death be “reasonably foreseeable.”

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/famil...ssion-wasn-t-fit-for-assisted-death-1.4609016

    A British Columbia man who struggled with depression and showed no signs of facing an imminent demise was given a medically-assisted death despite desperate pleas from his loved ones, family members say.

    Alan Nichols was admitted to Chilliwack General Hospital in June, at age 61, after he was found dehydrated and malnourished. One month later, he died by injection.

    Days before his death, family members begged Nichols, a former school janitor who lived alone and struggled with depression, not to go through with the procedure. They still don’t know why doctors approved the life-ending procedure and insist that Nichols did not fit the government criteria of facing an “imminent death.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/canad...law-include-mentally-ill-enable-mature-minors
     
    I think Roe’s standard was viability of the fetus - so some of the second trimester is included. I think limit of viability is about 20-22 weeks. Almost all later abortions are due to health of the mother - could be cancer diagnosis where they cannot start treatment - could be something like severe eclampsia which can be fatal - could be abruption, also life threatening to the mother OR fatal abnormality in the fetus. Almost all. Another small number of second trimester abortions are in children who didn’t realize they were pregnant until later and were obviously raped, whether by their stepdad, father, uncle, cousin, etc.
    Do you have the number on how many abortions were provided because of rape/incest?

    So up until 20 weeks, abortion should be legal?

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    yea, i don't think any states allowed any past the first trimester unless there was complications that put the mother's life at risk or unless the fetus was already dead/ dying.. but the right loved to put that boogeyman out there in their massive misinformation quest making it seam pro life meant abortion until the due date.
    https://www.axios.com/2022/05/14/abortion-state-laws-bans-roe-supreme-court

    No limit: Six states and Washington, D.C., do not impose any term restrictions. That has not changed since the overturning of Roe.
     
    Are you saying that is the extreme left, or alt-left or there are people that want abortion legal up until birth?
    maybe double super uber extrememe left crazy.. no one wants to kill a child intentionally once its able to live on its own. its a fairytail yall make up...
     
    https://www.axios.com/2022/05/14/abortion-state-laws-bans-roe-supreme-court

    No limit: Six states and Washington, D.C., do not impose any term restrictions. That has not changed since the overturning of Roe.
    since you did the research obviusly, what is the no limit? does it mean because of complications and a certain death scenario , or just walk into a clinic the day befire your due date and get an abortion? you must know the answer to this, or you wouldn't have said it with such conviction. also i would like some stats that show abortions performed in that 9th month in a just because situation...


    About 93% of reported abortions in 2019 were performed at or before 13 weeks of pregnancy, 6% were conducted between 14 and 20 weeks and 1% were performed at or after 21 weeks, according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
     
    Do you have the number on how many abortions were provided because of rape/incest?

    So up until 20 weeks, abortion should be legal?

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    Abso - forking - lutely. You have no idea what you’re talking about. If I said what I want to say to you right now I would be banned.
     
    I will address this generally and not to any one person. When anti-abortionists say that abortion is legal up until the moment of birth they are being extremely disingenuous. The kind of dishonesty that will certainly cost women their lives. I have zero patience for this type of dangerous propaganda.

    When a pregnancy needs to be terminated late in the pregnancy, it’s due to some sort of tragedy. The fetus was found to be missing a brain, missing internal organs, or the membranes ruptured or the woman got life-threatening complications. People are not committing infanticide routinely like the liars that make up the anti-abortion propaganda movement like to say. These are truly sick individuals. They would sacrifice a woman’s life or future fertility or health to score a propaganda win.

    Pretending that they care about babies makes it extra despicable. We see by their actions they don’t give a shirt about anything but controlling women’s bodies. We know this because a man who slipped an abortion drug into his girlfriend’s drink, attempting to terminate the pregnancy and causing the child to be born with disabilities, is given a slap on the wrist, while women who were turned away from EDs and miscarry at home are run through the wringer and charged seriously, only to have charges dropped due to public outrage or refusal of the grand jury to indict.
     
    The person who started this thread about euthanasia is now derailing their thread by pivoting to talking almost exclusively about abortion in their euthanasia thread.

    Just an observation.
     
    The person who started this thread about euthanasia is now derailing their thread by pivoting to talking almost exclusively about abortion in their euthanasia thread.

    Just an observation.
    because he couldn't make a valid point and did ZERO research on the subject before starting it.
    Now he's doing the same thing with abortion claiming people want abortions up to day of birth, but can't actually back that up with any credible data or proof. but its par for the course wih any of his aruments., but i'm sure we'll get a tweet dump soon with a ton of irrelevant info on either topic...
     
    and when is that?

    As MT already said, it's in the 20-22 week range. And as she also pointed out, the vast majority of abortions take place well before that. Abortions that happen at or after this point are almost exclusively obtained for medical/health reasons.
     
    As MT already said, it's in the 20-22 week range. And as she also pointed out, the vast majority of abortions take place well before that. Abortions that happen at or after this point are almost exclusively obtained for medical/health reasons.
    but thats not what the Twitter posts he sees says. and we all know its Tweets over facts...
     
    maybe double super uber extrememe left crazy.. no one wants to kill a child intentionally once its able to live on its own. its a fairytail yall make up...
    Then why have the laws that allow it up until birth (no restriction)?
     
    since you did the research obviusly, what is the no limit? does it mean because of complications and a certain death scenario , or just walk into a clinic the day befire your due date and get an abortion? you must know the answer to this, or you wouldn't have said it with such conviction. also i would like some stats that show abortions performed in that 9th month in a just because situation...
    6 and 1%? Acceptable loses in your eyes?
     
    The person who started this thread about euthanasia is now derailing their thread by pivoting to talking almost exclusively about abortion in their euthanasia thread.

    Just an observation.
    I follow bread crumbs.

    Part of the reason for this thread was to get some folks on record not agreeing with euthanasia but I knew how this slippery slope would work and with enough time and pressure from the left, they would flip and would actually endorse it.
     
    As MT already said, it's in the 20-22 week range. And as she also pointed out, the vast majority of abortions take place well before that. Abortions that happen at or after this point are almost exclusively obtained for medical/health reasons.
    Can you name me a procedure that requires an abortion to save the mothers life?

    Remember, an abortion is the act of going in with the specific purpose of killing the baby in the womb and taking it out. Treatments that the mother has to have that unfortunately end in the death of the baby is not an abortion. So, can you name me the procedure that you all bring up that requires an abortion in order to save the life of the mother?
     

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