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    This is becoming a talking point or will be soon. I personally have no issue with medical assisted suicide in a hospice care environment. There is a push, and this is in Canada, to include the mentally ill, disabled, and even the homeless. That I cannot get behind. What does everyone else think about it?

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...-of-abuse-is-becoming-ever-more-apparent.html

    How does the unthinkable become not only thinkable, but seemingly inevitable? How do we normalize things we recently considered not just abnormal, but horrifying?

    The question arises because a major Canadian medical organization is pushing the idea of allowing doctors to do something that’s long been considered unthinkable and abnormal: killing infants who are born with conditions that make survival impossible.

    The Quebec College of Physicians made the case for this before a parliamentary committee studying changes to Canada’s law on medical assistance in dying (MAID), a.k.a. assisted suicide.

    To be clear, the college’s proposal involves only newborns with severe malformations whose chance for life is “basically nil.” It wouldn’t be a license to kill babies. But let’s also be clear about this: authorizing doctors to actively euthanize infants — rather than allowing nature to take its course — does cross a line once thought inviolable.


    The college suggests blurring things in other ways, too. It supports extending MAID to “mature minors,” i.e. teenagers aged 14 to 17, and wants us to think about allowing euthanasia for old people who are just “tired of living.”

    Now, Canada’s laws on MAID have long been stretched far beyond the original (and praiseworthy) concept of sparing terminally ill people from unnecessary agony at the end of their lives, allowing a so-called “death with dignity.” When the law was passed in 2016 it didn’t specify that a person must be terminally ill to qualify for a medically assisted death, and last year it was amended to remove the requirement that death be “reasonably foreseeable.”

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/famil...ssion-wasn-t-fit-for-assisted-death-1.4609016

    A British Columbia man who struggled with depression and showed no signs of facing an imminent demise was given a medically-assisted death despite desperate pleas from his loved ones, family members say.

    Alan Nichols was admitted to Chilliwack General Hospital in June, at age 61, after he was found dehydrated and malnourished. One month later, he died by injection.

    Days before his death, family members begged Nichols, a former school janitor who lived alone and struggled with depression, not to go through with the procedure. They still don’t know why doctors approved the life-ending procedure and insist that Nichols did not fit the government criteria of facing an “imminent death.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/canad...law-include-mentally-ill-enable-mature-minors
     
    I just want someone who is so pro-abortion to stand behind having the mother have an option to kill the baby in the 8th month? Can you defend it?

    Either that or you think abortion should be illegal after some point in the fetus development, right?
    When said baby has absolutely no chance of living.
     
    Why? Are you saying you don't believe that Vermont has no term limit on abortions? If I did the cite the law for you would that change your mind at all?

    Can you check New Jersey, Oregon, New Mexico or Vermont for me and let me know what you find?
    you are right to an extent.
    I'll show you an article. you can believe it or not. but the law reads that way for a specefic purpose. you can choose to say the article is full of crap, makes me no difference.
    Asked about his position on the law, Coyne pointed to section 9497, which prohibits public entities from restricting abortion access.
    “This section prohibits (makes illegal) any restrictions placed upon a woman’s right to have an abortion. No such restrictions are named in the bill, but would include any restrictions involving gestational age of the unborn child,” he wrote in an email.
    “The bill, therefore, codifies a woman’s right to have an abortion at any time during a pregnancy, for any or no reason, up until full-term birth,” he added.
    That would be true, if medical professionals did not adhere to their own policies and ethical practices.
    And even if a woman wanted to abort a pregnancy that late, there are no providers who would do it in Vermont, according to the medical society.
    “No abortion providers in Vermont perform elective abortions in the third trimester,” it says.
    Lucy Leriche, the vice president of public policy at Planned Parenthood of Northern New England, said the only time when a woman might get an abortion that late in their pregnancy would be “under really severe circumstances for health of mother or because the viability of pregnancy is at risk.”
    Doctors who do carry out elective procedures that late in pregnancy, she added, would face dire professional consequences for violating their licensure and committing medical malpractice.
    So abortions in the third trimester are exceedingly rare, and don’t occur as elective procedures, but are they legal, as Coyne says

    Do you take any validity i what the Vermont Medical Society says or do you think they are lying.

    And do you have any proof that ANY ELECTIVE late term abortions occur in any of these states?


     
    abortion /ə-bôr′shən/

    noun​

    1. Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.
    2. Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.

    Did I attempt to use another definition?

    Yes.

    Can you name me a procedure that requires an abortion to save the mothers life?

    Remember, an abortion is the act of going in with the specific purpose of killing the baby in the womb and taking it out. Treatments that the mother has to have that unfortunately end in the death of the baby is not an abortion. So, can you name me the procedure that you all bring up that requires an abortion in order to save the life of the mother?
     
    Are you telling that before treatment can begin, on the mother, they have to schedule an abortion and then they can begin the life saving medical treatment?

    Depending on the treatment and the severity of the illness being treated, yes.
     
    are you ok, though? I feel like this hit you kind of hard.
    Just like cornflakes, I'm great!

    If your feelings told you that anything you have said hits me at all, let alone "hard," then you shouldn't trust your feelings because your feelings are lying to you.

    Now, @Farb, let's get real. You, me and everyone else knows that your lame, absurd snipe above is you trying to accuse me of what you are feeling. It's textbook projection. Like the kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, you're desperately trying to talk your way out of making the unforced error of confessing that you started this thread under false pretenses.

    My pointing out that you flat out confessed that you started this thread as gotcha-baiting on the issue of abortion staggered you. It's not me pointing out that you confessed that's staggered you. What's got you reeling is that you didn't even realize you were confessing when you were doing it, because you impulsively ranted without thinking or noticing what you are actually saying.

    You're reeling, because you know you've shown everyone that you can't be trusted to have an honest discussion. You're reeling, because you realize you can't even trust yourself not to expose your truth with your blabbering.

    You're hit hard and trying to "walk off" the fact that even you can't trust the things you say.

    Your attempt to deflect has failed. Everyone saw you openly confess that you started this thread just as gotcha-baiting on the issue of abortion.

    You don't actually give a rat's arse about euthanasia policies. You just used that issue as a stalking horse on the issue of abortion.
     
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    you are right to an extent.
    I'll show you an article. you can believe it or not. but the law reads that way for a specefic purpose. you can choose to say the article is full of crap, makes me no difference.




    Do you take any validity i what the Vermont Medical Society says or do you think they are lying.

    And do you have any proof that ANY ELECTIVE late term abortions occur in any of these states?


    Yeah, I don't believe that there are morally driven abortion providers. Sorry.
     
    Just like cornflakes, I'm great!

    If your feelings told you that anything you have said hits me at all, let alone "hard," then you shouldn't trust your feelings because your feelings are lying to you.

    Now, @Farb, let's get real. You, me and everyone else knows that your lame, absurd snipe above is you trying to accuse me of what you are feeling. It's textbook projection. Like the kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, you're desperately trying to talk your way out of making the unforced error of confessing that you started this thread under false pretenses.

    My pointing out that you flat out confessed that you started this thread as gotcha-baiting on the issue of abortion staggered you. It's not me pointing out that you confessed that's staggered you. What's got you reeling is that you didn't even realize you were confessing when you were doing it, because you impulsively ranted without thinking or noticing what you are actually saying.

    You're reeling, because you know you've shown everyone that you can't be trusted to have an honest discussion. You're reeling, because you realize you can't even trust yourself not to expose your truth with your blabbering.

    You're hit hard and trying to "walk off" the fact that even you can't trust the things you say.

    Your attempt to deflect has failed. Everyone saw you openly confess that you started this thread just as gotcha-baiting on the issue of abortion.

    You don't actually give a rat's arse about euthanasia policies. You just used that issue as a stalking horse on the issue of abortion.
    Thank you for this. I need this today. Much love.

    You are wise for pointing out what I already pointed out. Thanks.

    But, just so you are not confused any longer, I do care about euthanasia policies as I see them as the next step the alt-left will use and is using to undermine the foundations of normalcy and society. There is a reason you and I disagree on this and most every other possible topic.
     
    Depending on the treatment and the severity of the illness being treated, yes.
    Really? I am unaware of that being medical protocol. Can you share evidence of this?
     
    Yeah, I don't believe that there are morally driven abortion providers. Sorry.
    I know that there are no morally drive anti-abortion people.

    Oh, and quit derailing a thread about euthanasia with your bullschlitz abortion nonsense.
     
    I know that there are no morally drive anti-abortion people.

    Oh, and quit derailing a thread about euthanasia with your bullschlitz abortion nonsense.
    As you respond the the abortion nonsense? You are very funny.
     
    Thank you for this. I need this today. Much love.

    You are wise for pointing out what I already pointed out. Thanks.

    But, just so you are not confused any longer, I do care about euthanasia policies as I see them as the next step the alt-left will use and is using to undermine the foundations of normalcy and society. There is a reason you and I disagree on this and most every other possible topic.
    Do you support durable power of attorney and living wills?
     
    As you respond the the abortion nonsense? You are very funny.
    A helluva a lot funnier than some and less than others.

    So, going to stop derailing the thread?
     
    You are wise for pointing out what I already pointed out.
    Wise has nothing to do it.

    I'm just making sure that everyone knows that you confessed that you only started this thread as gotcha-baiting with the hopes that you could twist something someone said in this thread as a gotcha against them regarding something they've previously said about abortions.

    ...is using to undermine the foundations of normalcy...
    There's that word "normal" again. That's what everything is all about for Farb and his kind. They want to define what is "normal" and force it down everyone else's throat. They want to make everyone obey them and their definition of "normal."

    There is a reason you and I disagree on this and most every other possible topic.
    Yes there is and what we keep disagreeing on is quite simple, I want people to be free to determine how they live and you want to force everyone to live how you want them to live.

    That is the fundamental disagreement between us. I accept people's differences and you want to dictate everyone into obeying your idea of "normal."
     
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    Really? I am unaware of that being medical protocol. Can you share evidence of this?

    Yes. I happily share things when it's reasonable to think the person I am speaking with will be open to it. I don't waste my time on others.
     

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