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    To get our minds off of the virus, debates and campaign theatrics for a moment, I thought it might be an interesting exercise to post our predictions of the final Electoral College margin. Of course, any prediction made would be a moment-in-time snapshot of what we think will happen given the current circumstances. Any number of factors could influence the vote over the final month of the campaign.

    There are sites that can help you arrive at your prediction. Real Clear Politics and 538 have polling data that can help you come up with a number. I use RCP mostly because they have a good interactive national map that's easy to use and they don't include polls conducted by companies like SurveyMonkey. They do, however include partisan polling, like Trafalgar and Change Research.

    My prediction started with looking at a best case scenario for a Trump reelection. I started by putting all of the states shown to lean in one direction in that camp. RCP shows states like Indiana and Missouri leaning Trump and Oregon and Virginia leaning Biden when those states and others like them are certainly going to end up in those columns. That leaves 11 "battleground" states (and two one-vote congressional districts) that theoretically could go either way and gives a picture of a 226-125 Biden lead before assigning a winner in those states. In looking at Trump's best case scenario, I gave him every state in which he is marginally ahead and those he is behind by less less than five points, as well as the two congressional districts. That would provide Biden with a slim 278-260 win. To come out with a better scenario for Trump, you would need to assign one or more of Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin or New Hampshire to Trump and he is trailing in all of those states by more than five points.

    However, I don't believe that Trump will achieve his best case numbers and Biden could win several more states, like Arizona, Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Georgia and Texas. I still think Trump will likely keep Texas, Iowa and Georgia, so my prediction as of today is 353-185 in favor of Biden.

    If you choose to participate in this exercise, you are welcome to give different predictions over the course of the next month. I intend to post a final prediction on Nov. 2/3 and may even post a weekly prediction, depending on the level of participation.
     
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    Part of me thinks Trump will sue, regardless. Objectively, though, it's not so much the margin of the EC victory as it is the margin in the relevant states. If Biden wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc. by five or more percent, then demands for a recount or other legal action will fall flat.

    Also keep in mind, even with challenges, Trump has to actually be proclaimed the winner by January 20th or else Nancy Pelosi will become acting President.
    That should scare everyone. ;) j.k.

    Kinda.
     
    What I dream of happening and would go a long way in restoring my faith in humanity

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    what I see actually happening:

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    I can't say I was that shocked in 2016. I knew Hillary was widely unpopular and came across as disingenuous. However, I underestimated the capacity of people to be conned by Trump. He offered nothing other than hollow platitudes... but I guess when the alternative is Hillary it's six of one, half dozen of the other. Bernie Sanders would have won in those key battleground states. The DNC elites shot themselves in the foot.
     
    I can't say I was that shocked in 2016. I knew Hillary was widely unpopular and came across as disingenuous. However, I underestimated the capacity of people to be conned by Trump. He offered nothing other than hollow platitudes... but I guess when the alternative is Hillary it's six of one, half dozen of the other. Bernie Sanders would have won in those key battleground states. The DNC elites shot themselves in the foot.

    That is what is different this time. I know a lot of people, many of them family, that talked about how they did not like Trump but there was no way they were going to vote for Hillary. Most of them that I have talked to recently are voting for Biden. They don't love him, but they truly never did like Trump and Biden just isn't close to as "bad" as Clinton.
     
    Early voting lead for Dems is getting bigger. Like 3:1 bigger. What’s more is there are significantly more Dems who are first time and low frequency voters - two groups the R’s have been crowing about being way ahead in.

     
    Early voting lead for Dems is getting bigger. Like 3:1 bigger. What’s more is there are significantly more Dems who are first time and low frequency voters - two groups the R’s have been crowing about being way ahead in.

    It seems to be a complete opposite to four years ago, when a lot of voters stayed home and didn't bother.
     
    Early voting lead for Dems is getting bigger. Like 3:1 bigger. What’s more is there are significantly more Dems who are first time and low frequency voters - two groups the R’s have been crowing about being way ahead in.

    I think another factor that might be in play is that a larger number of registered Republicans will vote for Biden than the number of registered Democrats that will vote for Trump. I don't think it will be large percentage of either group, but I think Biden will get a net benefit from the number of cross over votes. If true, then that would increase how many points higher Republican turnout will have to be to give Trump an actual advantage. If the turnout is close to even, I think Biden wins.
     
    I think another factor that might be in play is that a larger number of registered Republicans will vote for Biden than the number of registered Democrats that will vote for Trump. I don't think it will be large percentage of either group, but I think Biden will get a net benefit from the number of cross over votes. If true, then that would increase how many points higher Republican turnout will have to be to give Trump an actual advantage. If the turnout is close to even, I think Biden wins.
    I’d love to see Florida called for Biden almost immediately after their polls close. You would know almost immediately, Trump is done.
     
    I spent a little time digging through polls today and I'm noticing something.

    Even where the polls are tightening Biden isn't losing any ground. Trump is gaining a point here or there. Even in the friendliest Trump polls, like TIPP and Rasmussen, Biden is still at or above 50%. I think what we are seeing is the few undecideds, who were never really undecided, starting to tell pollsters they are voting Trump. However, if Bidens number doesn't come down below 50% that doesn't matter one bit.
     
    To add to @Saint by the Bay

    If you look at the 4 way polls, which include Jorgensen and Hawkins, it gets worse for Trump. Jorgensen is taking over 2% of the vote and it’s coming from Trump. Biden is over 50% still but Trump is around 42. But Hawkins is getting less than 1%. So he isn’t pulling voters away in any significant amount. But those 2-3% Jorgensen is getting is going to be the difference in at least one state.
     
    I spent a little time digging through polls today and I'm noticing something.

    Even where the polls are tightening Biden isn't losing any ground. Trump is gaining a point here or there. Even in the friendliest Trump polls, like TIPP and Rasmussen, Biden is still at or above 50%. I think what we are seeing is the few undecideds, who were never really undecided, starting to tell pollsters they are voting Trump. However, if Bidens number doesn't come down below 50% that doesn't matter one bit.


    I don't think there's anything left to happen in these last 10 days to drastically change the trajectory of this race.. I'm struggling to say this but more and more it looks like Trump is about done for.
     

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