Does Trump ever do any jail time? (2 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[bird]

Pretty sad state of affairs if we as citizens have to 'take' a politician because one is 'less corrupt' than the other.

Politicians have "lied" ie made statements at one point and then changed their minds or said something else since the beginning of politics millennia ago. The concept that such actions are corrupt is of necessity in error. To expect consistency when politics is arbitrarily about compromise in a democratic republic is expecting unicorns blowing rainbows out their azzes. This is not cynicism. It is an evidence-based reality. Lock-step is a sign of decline. it is a sign of political danger.

It is a far sadder and more dangerous state of affairs when we see the big lie spouted and spewed then bleated by media as "news" and supported by elected officials.

 

[samiam5211]

Pretty sad state of affairs if we as citizens have to 'take' a politician because one is 'less corrupt' than the other.

At least you are acknowledging that Trump is more corrupt than Biden.

 

[Farb]

At least you are acknowledging that Trump is more corrupt than Biden.

Maybe he is, but I doubt it. As long as Hunter is still selling his art and getting payment from Ukraine, I think the Biden family will take top rung since they replaced the Clintons and Bush

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Pretty sad state of affairs if we as citizens have to 'take' a politician because one is 'less corrupt' than the other.

If we ditched the horrible form of government we currently have in favor of a parliamentary system, things would work better.

 

[Farb]

If we ditched the horrible form of government we currently have in favor of a parliamentary system, things would work better.

I don't think we need to ditch our system. I think our system is fine. We just need a smarter populace, and to not elect the stupidest people out there for represent us and an actual media corps.

Term limits, no fund raising and accountability (jail but I could be persuaded to vote for the death penalty for all government crimes or even better, actual banishment)

 

[MT15]

Good to know Farb. Let’s start with this:

 

[MT15]

Better link:

 

[Booker]

Here’s another…

The January 6 committee says it has evidence showing Trump committed crimes including obstruction and fraud while trying to overturn the election

According to a new court filing, the committee says it has evidence suggesting that Trump conspired to defraud the US and obstructed Congress.

www.yahoo.com

“Lock him up”

 

[Farb]

Is this like impeachment.3? I remember when all the evidence was in plain sight and Trump was going to go to jail.

At some point, you have to see that this is all political theatre for the midterms, right?

 

[Taurus]

Is this like impeachment.3? I remember when all the evidence was in plain sight and Trump was going to go to jail.

At some point, you have to see that this is all political theatre for the midterms, right?

If they can put Trump on criminal trial before November, the Dems just might avoid a complete skullforking. They need to feed some Sriracha tofu to the base.

 

[Dragon]

On January 6 at 12:14 pm ET, as it was becoming increasingly clear that there was a Trump-inspired riot brewing at the US Capitol, Jacob was unequivocal in his rejection of Eastman's theories.


"I have run down every legal trail placed before me to its conclusion, and I respectfully conclude that as a legal framework, it is a results-oriented position that you would never support if attempted by the opposition, and essentially entirely made up," Jacob wrote Eastman. "And thanks to your bullshirt, we are now under siege."
To which Eastman responds: "The 'siege' is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so the American people can see for themselves what happened."
In his next response, Jacob drops the hammer: "The advice provided has, whether intended or not, functioned as a serpent in the ear of the President of the United States, the most powerful office in the entire world. And here we are."
Jacob went on:
"Respectfully, it was gravely, gravely irresponsible for you to entice the President with an academic theory that had no legal viability, and that you well know we would lose before any judge who heard and decided the case. And if the courts declined to hear it, I suppose it could only be decided in the streets. The knowing amplification of that theory through numerous surrogates, whipping large numbers of people into a frenzy over something with no chance of ever attaining legal force through actual process of law, has led us to where we are."
Yes, that's it exactly.

Emails between Greg Jacob (Legal council to Pence) and Eastman (Legal Counsel to Trump)

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/03/politics/trump-january-6-committee-eastman-email/index.html

 

[SFIDC3]

Is this like impeachment.3? I remember when all the evidence was in plain sight and Trump was going to go to jail.

At some point, you have to see that this is all political theatre for the midterms, right?

Welp, someone's getting a little nervous

 

[insidejob]

and to not elect the stupidest people out there for represent us

I agree.

 

[insidejob]

Emails between Greg Jacob (Legal council to Pence) and Eastman (Legal Counsel to Trump)

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/03/politics/trump-january-6-committee-eastman-email/index.html

Jacob sure doesn't pull any punches. Eastman is forever his punk after reading that.

 

[MT15]

I saw a snippet too where they have evidence that Trump was repeatedly informed by the DOJ that all his “proof” of election fraud was BS. The DOJ actually took the time to review the crazy Kraken lawsuits and pointed out to him that they were totally without merit. I think that’s an important point because then he cannot claim he believed the nonsense.

 

[Optimus Prime]

We'll see if this ends up any different than the other 'We're closing in" revelations
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..........This means that the legal hot water Trump finds himself in is nearing a boil. Remember, though, that there isn’t a direct line from there to seeing Trump in a jumpsuit. There are a lot of steps in between.

With a court filing this week, the Jan. 6 committee alleges that not only Trump but also his former attorney, John Eastman, may have engaged in criminal or fraudulent behavior related to the 2020 election. Eastman, according to that court filing, was advising Trump on ways to undermine the valid presidential election results. Not only is that a bad look, but it may also be illegal.

The Jan. 6 committee has been trying to obtain information from Eastman about his purportedly illegal legal advice. Eastman has refused, claiming that because he was acting as Trump’s attorney, the information the committee wants is protected by the attorney-client privilege and the attorney work product privilege. These are, broadly speaking, evidentiary privileges which provide that many communications between an attorney and a client and documents prepared by that attorney can remain private. That is, unless an exception to those privileges applies. And this is where things get interesting.

The committee’s filing argues that there is no legitimate attorney-client relationship here and that documents prepared by Eastman do not fall within the attorney work product privilege. But then — and here comes “This is a bombshell” moment — the committee argues that even if those privileges existed in the first place, they can’t be used to shield Eastman’s documents because “[c]ommunications in which a ‘client consults an attorney for advice that will serve him in the commission of a fraud or crime’” are not shielded from disclosure.

A key reminder here, Eastman is claiming that his documents are protected from disclosure by the attorney-client privilege based on the idea that his client is the former president of the United States. But in what we may call the key line in the filing, the committee argues that “evidence and information available to the Committee establishes a good-faith belief that Mr. Trump and others may have engaged in criminal and/or fraudulent acts, and that Plaintiff’s [Eastman’s] legal assistance was used in furtherance of those activities.”

What are those criminal activities? The House committee lays them out for us. First, Trump may have attempted to obstruct an official proceeding, in this case the counting of electoral votes. Second, Trump may have engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the federal government by “interfering with the election certification process, disseminating false information about election fraud, and pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort.” And finally, the Jan 6. committee has found evidence that Trump may have “engaged in common law fraud in connection with their efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.”

While we do not know if criminal charges will be brought against Trump, we do know that we can believe our own eyes and ears.

So what happens next? First, the judge will rule on the Jan. 6 committee’s argument that it can obtain the requested documents from Eastman. Then the committee and possibly the full House of Representatives will decide whether to vote to refer criminal charges against Trump to the Department of Justice. If they vote in the affirmative, the question then goes to the Justice Department to conduct its own independent assessment. That is as it should be. The Justice Department is an independent agency and should make decisions about whether or not to prosecute based on the facts and the law, not political pressure..............

MSN

 

[wardorican]

Pretty sad state of affairs if we as citizens have to 'take' a politician because one is 'less corrupt' than the other.

Again, define corrupt. And what politicians has 0 corruption to you? Is there anyone who can lead us?

 

[wardorican]

Maybe he is, but I doubt it. As long as Hunter is still selling his art and getting payment from Ukraine, I think the Biden family will take top rung since they replaced the Clintons and Bush

hahahahahahaha.

This is sad, even from you.

Trump, literally, fraudulently created shell companies to make it look like his various buildings were spending a lot more on repairs than they really were, to justify rent increases. He was literally cheating normal people. And he even blatently was trying to force out rent controlled folks in one building, also cut off heat, hot water, etc. I get that you probably don't care about his massive tax fraud, because you probably think taxation is theft, but what he did to normal people is just wrong on so many levels. Many were elderly.

https://apnews.com/press-release/pr...-governments-7317f1673a471d118ea1b06c305754d7

Donald Trump was a nightmare landlord in the 1980s

The darker side of Donald Trump was revealed in the 1980s, when he waged a war on rent-stabilized tenants and an old lady in New York City.

money.cnn.com

This one is probably behind a paywall, but I have a subscription. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b774a0-da15-11eb-bb9e-70fda8c37057_story.html

This is behind a paywall.

Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father (Published 2018)

The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.

www.nytimes.com