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    Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

    And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

    What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

    In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

    "We can't do that to the country",

    "A trial would tear the country apart",

    "For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

    Would life imitate art?

    Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?
     
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    Bigdaddysaints said:
    So where there is smoke there is fire when it comes to Clinton.
    But when there is smoke with Trump, its media lies!!!!
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    Nope, I think there is smoke there too and fire. The fire is not RUSSIA but just normal run of the mill rich people with large companies type stuff.

    The smoke and fire with Hillary, I think is more to do about RUSSIA than Trump, but I think we will have to let this play out.
     
    Farb said:
    Nope, I think there is smoke there too and fire. The fire is not RUSSIA but just normal run of the mill rich people with large companies type stuff.

    The smoke and fire with Hillary, I think is more to do about RUSSIA than Trump, but I think we will have to let this play out.
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    Despite all the evidence that Russia helped Trump get elected, and how Trump acted almost subservient to Russia, and the financial ties that Trump has to Russia, I don't know how you can cling to a belief that Hillary has more smoke and fire. The Mueller report and the bi-partisan report from congress laid out the evidence against Trump. Then Trump is doing everything possible to hide evidence, and yet somehow you still believe that he's innocent wrt Russia. Time continues to reveal more and more to confirm what we already know about Trump's guilt. He's guilty of many things, not the least of which is collusion (not proven conspiracy) with Russia. I've seen nothing to connect Hillary to Russia. All I've ever seen is that Putin hates the Clintons, and that's fine with me, because Russia is a rogue nation that flaunts international norms, much like Trump.
     
    One thing to keep in mind is that the 5th Amendment privilege against self-incrimination applies in a criminal context. When a party to a civil proceeding refuses to answer a question on the basis of the 5th Amendment right (as they are entitled to do), the opposing party is entitled to move the court to take an "adverse inference" from the party's refusal to answer, and I believe that in most instances, it is granted. An adverse inference is basically saying that the court will presume that the answer would have been adverse to the party's position in the case.
     
    Farb said:
    Nope, I think there is smoke there too and fire. The fire is not RUSSIA but just normal run of the mill rich people with large companies type stuff.

    The smoke and fire with Hillary, I think is more to do about RUSSIA than Trump, but I think we will have to let this play out.
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    Yeah because american companies would never do shirt like that.
     
    Lapaz said:
    Despite all the evidence that Russia helped Trump get elected, and how Trump acted almost subservient to Russia, and the financial ties that Trump has to Russia, I don't know how you can cling to a belief that Hillary has more smoke and fire. The Mueller report and the bi-partisan report from congress laid out the evidence against Trump. Then Trump is doing everything possible to hide evidence, and yet somehow you still believe that he's innocent wrt Russia. Time continues to reveal more and more to confirm what we already know about Trump's guilt. He's guilty of many things, not the least of which is collusion (not proven conspiracy) with Russia. I've seen nothing to connect Hillary to Russia. All I've ever seen is that Putin hates the Clintons, and that's fine with me, because Russia is a rogue nation that flaunts international norms, much like Trump.
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    Putin has hated Clinton since she was Secretary of State, when Clinton and Obama sanctioned Russia over Crimea and Ukraine. This is a major reason why Putin was trying to help Trump defeat Clinton in 2016.

    These GQP rubes simply have no idea what they're talking about.
     
    Good article on what we talked about earlier in this thread

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
    ===========
    When President Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace, the odds of his standing trial for obstruction of justice seemed high: His actions undermining the Watergate investigation had been tape-recorded, and his part in the coverup led to pressure on the legal system to hold him accountable.

    In September 1974, however, one month after Nixon left office, his successor, Gerald Ford, pardoned him. Ford later told a congressional subcommittee that the pardon was designed to “shift our attentions from the pursuit of a fallen President to the pursuit of the urgent needs of a rising nation.”


    It didn’t — not in the immediate aftermath and, in some ways, not ever. Although views later softened, many Americans at the time saw the pardon as a mistake. Some were livid. One powerful man had essentially condoned the criminality of another. The get-out-of-jail-free card exacerbated public cynicism and deepened the nation’s social fractures. The White House switchboard lit up with calls that ran 8 to 1 against Ford’s action.

    The New York Times captured some of the liberal rage when it described the pardon as an affront to “the American system of justice.” A president who thought he was doing the right thing had taken justice into his own hands, casting doubt on a bedrock idea: Justice is blind; no one is above the law.


    Nearly five decades later, Joe Biden is president, and a pardon for Donald Trump isn’t happening. But whether Trump will eventually be prosecuted for his conduct in the White House is more of a conundrum: If the country crosses this inviolate threshold, all hell will break loose. If we don’t cross it, all hell will break loose.

    There will be no “shifting our attentions” by advocates of either course. And whichever path the nation follows will have lasting repercussions. One thing is increasingly clear — fear will play a greater role than facts in determining it……

    The stakes are enormous. The rule of law, the notion that we are all equal under our criminal justice system, is among the noblest of principles but also the ugliest of myths. The question of putting Trump on trial before a jury of his peers is a test for a principle of democracy that has often proved out of reach for most Americans…….

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Good article on what we talked about earlier in this thread

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
    ===========
    When President Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace, the odds of his standing trial for obstruction of justice seemed high: His actions undermining the Watergate investigation had been tape-recorded, and his part in the coverup led to pressure on the legal system to hold him accountable.

    In September 1974, however, one month after Nixon left office, his successor, Gerald Ford, pardoned him. Ford later told a congressional subcommittee that the pardon was designed to “shift our attentions from the pursuit of a fallen President to the pursuit of the urgent needs of a rising nation.”


    It didn’t — not in the immediate aftermath and, in some ways, not ever. Although views later softened, many Americans at the time saw the pardon as a mistake. Some were livid. One powerful man had essentially condoned the criminality of another. The get-out-of-jail-free card exacerbated public cynicism and deepened the nation’s social fractures. The White House switchboard lit up with calls that ran 8 to 1 against Ford’s action.

    The New York Times captured some of the liberal rage when it described the pardon as an affront to “the American system of justice.” A president who thought he was doing the right thing had taken justice into his own hands, casting doubt on a bedrock idea: Justice is blind; no one is above the law.


    Nearly five decades later, Joe Biden is president, and a pardon for Donald Trump isn’t happening. But whether Trump will eventually be prosecuted for his conduct in the White House is more of a conundrum: If the country crosses this inviolate threshold, all hell will break loose. If we don’t cross it, all hell will break loose.

    There will be no “shifting our attentions” by advocates of either course. And whichever path the nation follows will have lasting repercussions. One thing is increasingly clear — fear will play a greater role than facts in determining it……

    The stakes are enormous. The rule of law, the notion that we are all equal under our criminal justice system, is among the noblest of principles but also the ugliest of myths. The question of putting Trump on trial before a jury of his peers is a test for a principle of democracy that has often proved out of reach for most Americans…….

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    At the time I agreed with Ford. Nixon had been destroyed. I was sick of Watergate. I felt it was time to move on. I don't feel that way about Trump however. Nothing would make me happier than to see Donald Trump behind bars no matter the cost in time and effort.
     
    As I'm reading this thread there's an ad off to the side for a President Trump Pure Silver Coin. One ounce of silver for 31 dollars.

    I'm actually temped to buy one because the engraver managed to make him look like a fire plug. It's the ugliest coin I think I've ever seen.

    I wouldn't say it looks like this, but this kind of gives one the idea. And it's got his red neck tie hanging down too far:

    sub-buzz-4063-1529923663-1.jpg
     

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