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[SaintForLife]

This isnt deserving of it's own thread, but we dont have a thread for general Democrat subjects.

I almost thought this was a joke:

 

[SaintForLife]

I read one paragraph of the article about the poll. I saw this:

“Overall, 9 in 10 voters in the U.S. think First Amendment protections for freedom of speech is a good thing, while only 9% think it is a bad thing,” said pollster Spencer Kimball, who directed the RCP survey. “This is agreed upon across the demographics, like party affiliation, age, and race.”

This suggests to me that your concern is misplaced.

Do you agree or disagree with these?

47% of Dems say free speech should be legal 'only under certain circumstances.

34% of Dems say Americans 'have too much freedom'

75% of Dems say government has a responsibility to censor 'hateful' social media posts

Only 31% strongly agree with the statement, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.'

 

[MT15]

75% of Dems say government has a responsibility to censor 'hateful' social media posts

Did you read the article: just over 50% of Republicans also agree with this statement.

After reading the entire article, I feel safe in saying the results are skewed. They claim that Rs are more tolerant of ideas that are different than their own, yet Rs are banning books, banning ideas they don’t like from classrooms and punishing corporations who say things they don’t like, etc.

Clearly, there is a real world disconnect between this survey and what Rs are actually doing in real life. And since we don’t see the actual poll, nor it’s methodology, I’m going to ignore it.

 

[bird]

Do you agree or disagree with these?

47% of Dems say free speech should be legal 'only under certain circumstances.

34% of Dems say Americans 'have too much freedom'

75% of Dems say government has a responsibility to censor 'hateful' social media posts

Only 31% strongly agree with the statement, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.'

IMO it's very disturbing poll results.

https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/views-on-freedom-of-speech-vary-by-political-affiliation-survey-finds

 

[MT15]

https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/views-on-freedom-of-speech-vary-by-political-affiliation-survey-finds

Great find. While still not seeing the entire survey, this is a balanced reporting of the results and you can clearly see how RealClearPolitics cherry-picked the results. They have an agenda, for sure, going by the way they reported this survey.

I would really like it if SFL could comment on the parts of the poll that were conveniently excluded by his biased source.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Do you agree or disagree with these?

47% of Dems say free speech should be legal 'only under certain circumstances.

34% of Dems say Americans 'have too much freedom'

75% of Dems say government has a responsibility to censor 'hateful' social media posts

Only 31% strongly agree with the statement, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.'

That poll reeks of creating a problem where there is none. That's the Republican way though, right?

Step 1 - Manufacture a problem/crisis, then claim Democrats are the source
Step 2 - Demonize the source to incite fear with their voters.
Step 3 - Repeat steps 1 & 2

IMO it's very disturbing poll results.

SUCCESS!!!!!

You consistently make post from the GOP Twitter Mafia that claim that they are fighting for democracy and that the evil Dims are the blame. But yet, you turn a blind eye or even defend multiple actual actions that the GOP has taken. I've listed some of those actions here before and you still ignore them favoring the latest manufactured GOP Twitter Mafia crisis.

But hey, if you're truly interested in saving democracy, here's a starting point to further disturb you:

Lawless MAGA Republicans are trying to overthrow democracy - Wisconsin Examiner

Wisconsin Republicans are part of a nationwide right-wing effort to undermine democratic institutions and elections

wisconsinexaminer.com

Opinion | Republicans Are Moving Rapidly to Cement Minority Rule. Blame the Constitution.

Democracy is in trouble, but a lawless coup isn’t the real threat.

www.politico.com

States have introduced nearly 200 bills this year to 'subvert' elections, report finds

The analysis by three nonpartisan groups suggests the election denial movement is alive and well in statehouses across the country.

www.nbcnews.com

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[V Chip]

Do you agree or disagree with these?

47% of Dems say free speech should be legal 'only under certain circumstances.

I agree. For example, it already is illegal to shout "FIRE!!" in a crowded theater. Thus, it is ALREADY legal only under certain circumstances.

34% of Dems say Americans 'have too much freedom'

I don't think I agree in general -- I think we have too little freedom. Not sure what the question referred to, though. For instance, I'd bet most Republicans believe we have too much freedom, being that they are trying to ban gender-affirming care, roll back gay marriage, want to limit what gets taught in schools, and limit workers' freedoms to join unions, just to name a few.

Looking at the RCP Topline Findings, this question wasn't about too much freedom but about too much freedom of speech. The results on that link doesn't break it down by democrat/republican/independent, though, so hard to see that information. As for our freedom of speech -- I think we have the right amount -- the government very rarely throws people into prison or punishes people for speech.

75% of Dems say government has a responsibility to censor 'hateful' social media posts

Disagree with that. The government doesn't have the right, no matter how hateful, unless it would be speech that is directly inciting violence.

50% of Republicans say the same thing as those 75% of Democrats, BTW.

Only 31% strongly agree with the statement, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.'

I don't agree with that statement. I will defend -- vociferously and strongly -- your right to say it, but if the choice is: you have the right to call my daughter an abomination because you believe IVF is against god's plan, OR I have to die, I'm going with you losing the right to call my daughter an abomination. I seriously doubt most people would actually willfully die to let one person's speech be allowed if it really came down to it.

A lot of the questions are very confusing. I suggest people check out the actual results I linked to above.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

A lot of the questions are very confusing. I suggest people check out the actual results I linked to above.

I know that I'm not as bright as I used to be, but how did SFL's twitter guy reach the conclusions from that RCP poll that got SFL so wound up?

Are they extrapolating the results of these two questions and applying them to the rest of the polling questions?

- Conservatives are unfairly censored on social media platforms
- Liberals are unfairly censored on social media platforms

 

[V Chip]

I know that I'm not as bright as I used to be, but how did SFL's twitter guy reach the conclusions from that RCP poll that got SFL so wound up?

Are they extrapolating the results of these two questions and applying them to the rest of the polling questions?

- Conservatives are unfairly censored on social media platforms
- Liberals are unfairly censored on social media platforms

The RCP link to the story has things broken out by political affiliation on some things: not a question/results listing, just in the text like:

"Republican voters (74%) and independents (61%) believe speech should be legal “under any circumstances, while Democrats are almost evenly divided. A bare majority of Democrats (53%) say speech should be legal under any circumstances, while 47% say it should be legal “only under certain circumstances.”

They don't show the actual questions and results there though.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[MT15]

SFL: do you think having a stroke has affected his intellect, or do you contend that he’s not very bright?

Or maybe, like Trump, you think it’s funny to make fun of people with struggles?

For the record, BTW:

“Fetterman studied finance at Albright College and earned an MBA from the University of Connecticut before beginning a professional career in the insurance industry. He went on to join AmeriCorps and earned a Master of Public Policy degree from Harvard University.”

 

[SaintForLife]

SFL: do you think having a stroke has affected his intellect, or do you contend that he’s not very bright?

Or maybe, like Trump, you think it’s funny to make fun of people with struggles?

For the record, BTW:

“Fetterman studied finance at Albright College and earned an MBA from the University of Connecticut before beginning a professional career in the insurance industry. He went on to join AmeriCorps and earned a Master of Public Policy degree from Harvard University.”

Did I mention anything about his stroke?

Fetterman lived off of his parents into his 40s and has never held a job in the real world in his life. How ironic is it that he's talking America not sending its best and brightest to DC? Especially when he dresses like a teenager.

 

[MT15]

Did I mention anything about his stroke?

Fetterman lived off of his parents into his 40s and has never held a job in the real world in his life. How ironic is it that he's talking America not sending its best and brightest to DC? Especially when he dresses like a teenager.

How does the way he is dressed relate to his intelligence again?

Oh, and your characterization of his life simply isn’t true. No surprise, though, that you believe it. All you have to do is take 30 seconds to scan his Wiki page to find out what you’re saying is a lie.

 

[MT15]

Doesn’t seem at all stupid to me:

 

[bird]

Did I mention anything about his stroke?

Fetterman lived off of his parents into his 40s and has never held a job in the real world in his life. How ironic is it that he's talking America not sending its best and brightest to DC? Especially when he dresses like a teenager.

Re: best and brightest

George Santos, Lauren Boebert, Empty Greene, Paul Gosar, Marsha Blackburn, Gym Jordan

Oh, and regarding Fetterman?

John Fetterman - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You lied.

 

[SaintForLife]

How does the way he is dressed relate to his intelligence again?

Oh, and your characterization of his life simply isn’t true. No surprise, though, that you believe it. All you have to do is take 30 seconds to scan his Wiki page to find out what you’re saying is a lie.

What jobs has he had besides being a politician? He lived at home well into his 40s right?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

What jobs has he had besides being a politician?

Teacher through AmeriCorps
Insurance

He left the corporate insurance gig to run for mayor of Braddock, PA.

He lived at home well into his 40s right?

No. Unless you think he was living at his parents' home while going to college in Connecticut, then Massachusetts, then working as the mayor of a town on the other side of the state.

 

[MT15]

What jobs has he had besides being a politician? He lived at home well into his 40s right?

Nope. You have been misinformed - again - by your pathetic Twitter feed. You should be used to this by now. The question is - when will you learn?

Degree in finance, then an MBA, then worked for an insurance company for 2 years. Then joined AmeriCorps and taught underprivileged kids in Philly, at some point got a masters from Harvard, moved to Braddock as part of his AmeriCorp service and ended up running for mayor after a few years.

Oh, he was inspired to leave his corporate job due to the death of his closest friend.

 

[MT15]

Well, this will spoil some narratives about how Dems are clamping down on the oil industry.