Critical race theory (12 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[coldseat]

Many blacks now live in the suburbs and go out for a walk or a jog with no worries.

I do get your point about progress. It's important to understand how far we've come as a nation. But this line made me stop given that we had the Ahmaud Arbery racially motivitated assult and murder not long ago and he was just out jogging in his neighbor. I don't know how true that is everywhere in the US.

 

[samiam5211]

I do get your point about progress. It's important to understand how far we've come as a nation. But this line made me stop given that we had the Ahmaud Arbery racially motivitated assult and murder not long ago and he was just out jogging in his neighbor. I don't know how true that is everywhere in the US.

Even if it was true, what a sad thing to have to acknowledge as progress.

 

[Paul]

I do get your point about progress. It's important to understand how far we've come as a nation. But this line made me stop given that we had the Ahmaud Arbery racially motivitated assult and murder not long ago and he was just out jogging in his neighbor. I don't know how true that is everywhere in the US.

Racism is real and still exists. However, if we only pay attention to the negatives and ignore the positives there will be nihilism, anger, depression, PTSD etc. The writings of Mr Bell reflect a man that grew up during Jim Crow and hence his perspective is valid regarding the trade of AAs to aliens. This is seen as self deprecating or perhaps Bell wanted to show the world how he felt. A kid born while Obama was president should have a perspective that is different from Mr. Bell. We have come a long way and everyday we are striving for a better world.

 

[Paul]

Even if it was true, what a sad thing to have to acknowledge as progress.

Success is not instantaneous. It is a struggle with setbacks here and there. Lastly, lets's not compare ourselves to an Utopia that will never exist.

 

[DaveXA]

I do get your point about progress. It's important to understand how far we've come as a nation. But this line made me stop given that we had the Ahmaud Arbery racially motivitated assult and murder not long ago and he was just out jogging in his neighbor. I don't know how true that is everywhere in the US.

It's true here. Mostly, but, no matter where you go, there will always be knuckleheads who will spew hateful comments to random individuals, whether black or white or whatever. You can't fix those people.

But, where I live, which is in a nice middle class neighborhood, we have black neighbors and they've always been friendly and we reciprocate. Their teenage kids walk to the 7-11 down the street pretty much daily and there's never been an issue in the year that I've lived here. I don't know if there's much racism in our neighborhood, but I haven't seen a hint of it yet.

The neighborhood we're moving to has a similar vibe. Several black and brown neighbors and seems like everyone gets along just fine. If there's anything, I'm not aware of it so far.

Anecdotal for sure, but in the last 20 years that I've lived in metro DC, I can't recall ever having any issues. So, idk.

 

[Paul]

Your post was fine without this line in it. Jewish =/= Black. Unless a Jewish candidate for a job came in dressed like an orthodox Jew, there would be no way for the interviewer to know that the Jewish candidate was Jewish.

I agree that we have come a long way. However, a nice racist is still a racist. A lot of the gains that have been made have not come voluntarily. They have been forced using the legal system.

Every step that has been taken to put blacks on equal footing with whites has been vehemently and in some cases violently opposed. It's important to remember that black people are born black. White people are not born racist. They learn it from their parents and friends.

I agree 100%, but too much of a good thing can sometimes be detrimental. Let's exclude the NAZI, KKK types out of the equation, they are nothing but a bunch of fools with low IQ. Let's talk about the rest of white people in America that want things to improve. If they are perennially put down they may eventually become disinterested or even adopt the so-called white identity. The last thing you want is white people adopting white identity. That would be a disaster of major proportions and could lead top civil war. Most white people don't talk about race even when among themselves with no POC within a 10 miles radius. Do not drive this people to the far right with incendiary rhetoric. CRT has been taken to the extreme in a few cases and the right wing is having a field day even if their claims are exaggerated.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Racism is real and still exists. However, if we only pay attention to the negatives and ignore the positives there will be nihilism, anger, depression, PTSD etc. The writings of Mr Bell reflect a man that grew up during Jim Crow and hence his perspective is valid regarding the trade of AAs to aliens. This is seen as self deprecating or perhaps Bell wanted to show the world how he felt. A kid born while Obama was president should have a perspective that is different from Mr. Bell. We have come a long way and everyday we are striving for a better world.

I can agree with this

However if the flip side becomes pay attention to the positives and ignore the negatives, depending on who's saying it and the tone it can come across as

"thing are much better than they were, be grateful"

or

"you're not slaves anymore so shut up about racism"

You can recognize the positives and the progress made while also recognizing that there is still more to do, more to improve on, also recognizing that there are those that feel more than enough progress has already been made and have no interest in any more

 

[samiam5211]

Success is not instantaneous. It is a struggle with setbacks here and there. Lastly, lets's not compare ourselves to an Utopia that will never exist.

Yes it takes time and there are setbacks.

We should not expect people to accept that equality might come on a timeline that exceeds their life expectancy though.

 

[Paul]

It's true here. Mostly, but, no matter where you go, there will always be knuckleheads who will spew hateful comments to random individuals, whether black or white or whatever. You can't fix those people.

But, where I live, which is in a nice middle class neighborhood, we have black neighbors and they've always been friendly and we reciprocate. Their teenage kids walk to the 7-11 down the street pretty much daily and there's never been an issue in the year that I've lived here. I don't know if there's much racism in our neighborhood, but I haven't seen a hint of it yet.

The neighborhood we're moving to has a similar vibe. Several black and brown neighbors and seems like everyone gets along just fine. If there's anything, I'm not aware of it so far.

Anecdotal for sure, but in the last 20 years that I've lived in metro DC, I can't recall ever having any issues. So, idk.

I live in Montgomery County, MD. It is massively diverse and peaceful. About 32% of the residents were not even born in the USA. My neighborhood is upper middle class and looks like the league of nations. My Nigerian neighbor is a beautiful person that does not get the AA viewpoint.

 

[SFIDC3]

I live in Montgomery County, MD. It is massively diverse and peaceful. About 32% of the residents were not even born in the USA. My neighborhood is upper middle class and looks like the league of nations. My Nigerian neighbor is a beautiful person that does not get the AA viewpoint.

Not that you need me to but I can attest to that. I live in your area, both of our boys went to Beverly Farms, then Hoover, and finally Churchill HS. One of the things I like most about this area is they had friends from all kinds of different backgrounds, all really nice kids....I wish I would have had that experience growing up...

 

[Paul]

Not that you need me to but I can attest to that. I live in your area, both of our boys went to Beverly Farms, then Hoover, and finally Churchill HS. One of the things I like most about this area is they had friends from all kinds of different backgrounds, all really nice kids....I wish I would have had that experience growing up...

If you live in my neck of the woods you know that Montgomery County is not the real USA. The county is affluent, diverse, and educated. Churchill is a magnificent school, better than most high end private prep schools. My kids attended catholic schools which were also diverse, but to a lesser extent.

It is easy to get along during good times. Sadly, tribalism takes over when resources are scarce.

 

[Saintamaniac]

I agree 100%, but too much of a good thing can sometimes be detrimental. Let's exclude the NAZI, KKK types out of the equation, they are nothing but a bunch of fools with low IQ. Let's talk about the rest of white people in America that want things to improve. If they are perennially put down they may eventually become disinterested or even adopt the so-called white identity. The last thing you want is white people adopting white identity. That would be a disaster of major proportions and could lead top civil war. Most white people don't talk about race even when among themselves with no POC within a 10 miles radius. Do not drive this people to the far right with incendiary rhetoric. CRT has been taken to the extreme in a few cases and the right wing is having a field day even if their claims are exaggerated.

I understand what you are saying here and I agree with you. The same can be said for black people like myself and others who post here. We realize that not all white folks are the same and that not all white folks are racists. I have been judged by the color of my skin since I was a child but that has never made me turn to a life of crime or feel the need to blame all of my problems, problems I've created for myself, on "the white man".

I know who I am and what I am. That's why I can't understand how you would think that a non-racist white person or a white person who realizes the injustices in our system and history would eventually turn to adopt the "so-called white identity". Black people continue be successful despite everything that has been put in front of us, every name we have been called, every injustice we have experienced and every obstacle we've had to overcome.

So on that basis, I actually disagree with your position that white people as a whole will become something that they claim they are not simply because some in the media and non-media continue to put all white people in the same bucket. They (white people who know the truth or want to learn the truth) know who they are and what they are and they will continue to fight for what is right regardless of any labels. I refuse to believe that they can swayed to adopt that which they feel and know is wrong.

 

[Paul]

I understand what you are saying here and I agree with you. The same can be said for black people like myself and others who post here. We realize that not all white folks are the same and that not all white folks are racists. I have been judged by the color of my skin since I was a child but that has never made me turn to a life of crime or feel the need to blame all of my problems, problems I've created for myself, on "the white man".

I know who I am and what I am. That's why I can't understand how you would think that a non-racist white person or a white person who realizes the injustices in our system and history would eventually turn to adopt the "so-called white identity". Black people continue be successful despite everything that has been put in front of us, every name we have been called, every injustice we have experienced and every obstacle we've had to overcome.

So on that basis, I actually disagree with your position that white people as a whole will become something that they claim they are not simply because some in the media and non-media continue to put all white people in the same bucket. They (white people who know the truth or want to learn the truth) know who they are and what they are and they will continue to fight for what is right regardless of any labels. I refuse to believe that they can swayed to adopt that which they feel and know is wrong.

I agree! That was a great post and let's not forget that many in Western nations are working hard remedy the wrongs of the past. However, there are many that are indifferent and just want to get along. Some may want to call them passive racists for their indifference, but I think that is simply too strong.

Trump received more votes in 2020 than in 2016 despite Covid-19 during an election year and behaving like an A-hole for four years. Not all those voters are KKK types. Most are people that are tired of the constant pushback. And let's not forget that Biden was placed in there by the Dems to get moderate voters.

Most of the diversity training in schools and places of work is fine as it is. However, some CRT manifestos have rather strong verbiage that turns people off. I am from Latin America and I know a little bit about discrimination. Like you I did not allow that to get in the way. I also recognize that there has been progress; most young people of this era are very open minded.

The Republicans recognize that many white voters are feeling a bit put off by the idea that they are the bad actors in the movie 24/7. That is why Trump won the election and it took massive turn out of Democratic voters to beat Trump in 2020.

 

[brandon]

The Republicans recognize that many white voters are feeling a bit put off by the idea that they are the bad actors in the movie 24/7.

Subbing conservatives for Republicans for a minute--when in history have conservatives been on the right side?

 

[Paul]

Subbing conservatives for Republicans for a minute--when in history have conservatives been on the right side?

When in history has the far left been on the right side? The good things come from the middle. A successful nation has an optimal liberal/conservative mix. By conservatives I simply mean a person that is traditional and someone that wants to keep what has worked in the past. By liberal I mean a tolerant person that understands how change can be beneficial.

As a society we have left behind some cultural values that had some advantages and adopt new ones that do not work as well. Balance is key.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Then there's this

 

[brandon]

When in history has the far left been on the right side? The good things come from the middle.

No, good things just come more slowly from the middle.

The abolishment of slavery, gay rights, social security, women's suffrage, and on and on. If you go back far enough, all of these were radically liberal ideas. But we have them all, and society is better for them. Conservatives are always on the wrong side of history.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I think people get confused with the word Liberal as being synonymous with Democrat. Democrats weren't always liberal. 150 years ago, they weren't Liberal. At some point in time the Democrats and Republicans slowly swapped their views of Liberalism. The Democrats took it and expanded it.