Critical race theory (3 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Another article
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……But the fight over the language in education standards points to a bigger issue regarding the teaching of slavery in U.S. history. Every state — and almost every school district — does it differently.

Unlike with math and science, there is no nationally agreed upon set of standards for teaching social studies. What public school children in the United States learn about slavery has almost everything to do with where they grow up.


In their official standards for teaching social studies and history, some states explicitly call for teaching about aspects of slavery throughout a student’s K-12 education, while others refer to it in passing or not at all.

Massachusetts mentions slavery 104 times in its history and social studies framework. Louisiana’s standards for K-12 social studies refer to slavery four times.

Idaho’s guidelines mention slavery twice. Few states mention the enslavement of Native Americans in their standards despite growing scholarship that points to it being widespread in early colonial America and continuing throughout much of the 19th century, particularly in Western states and territories…..

In Philadelphia’s public school district, students must take a year of African American history in high school, a requirement that makes the district a rarity in the United States. The class follows the experience of African Americans beginning with a section on life in Africa before the transatlantic slave trade took about 12 million people to the Americas. The course also covers the experience of slavery in America beginning in 1619 through to the Civil War, Reconstruction, Jim Crow and the civil rights era……

For some historians and educators, such as Daina Ramey Berry, a University of Texas history professor and author of “The Price for Their Pound of Flesh: The Value of the Enslaved, From Womb to Grave, in the Building of a Nation,” one option for redressing the lack of knowledge about slavery would be to focus an entire course on the subject in middle school or high school.

“It is such a major part of American history, but it gets glossed over. I mean, the foundation of our early economy was based on slavery, and that’s missing,” Berry said.

“And also, it’s the foundation of some of the challenges we have with current race relations. We never healed from this. It’s like that elephant in the room of our history that people don’t want to talk about because it’s uncomfortable.”……

The failure to educate Americans about slavery in a deep and unflinching way reinforces divisions, said Bethany Jay, an associate professor at Salem State University and co-editor of “Understanding and Teaching American Slavery.”


The nation finds itself riven by divisive issues such as Confederate statues, kneeling athletes, prison reform and birthright citizenship because, Jay said, there is a “lack of context for how all those issues tie into slavery itself or its immediate aftermath.

And that’s the fault of how we’ve been talking about this issue in our schools and our museums and our public life and culture.”
Historians and teachers call for a national embrace of standards that fully address how slavery shaped America’s economy, was encoded in its laws, protected by courts and expanded by national policy even as other countries were banning the practice and abolitionists were calling it immoral. They want a more explicit teaching of how American slavery was justified by racist beliefs……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/what-do-students-learn-about-slavery-it-depends-where-they-live/

 

[Optimus Prime]

…..Sometimes, when emotions run high, maintaining a safe space can be challenging. Keanya Clifton-Roach, who is black, found that out in the fall of 2016 when teaching a government class in a majority white public high school in southern Maryland.

For one class project, she asked students to read articles about the Confederate flag and analyze whether it represented heritage or hate.

Clifton-Roach, 42, envisioned it as an academic exercise for the students, but reactions quickly boiled over. Black students in the class told her they could lose friends if they wrote what they really felt. Other students came to her in tears about the project.

“It really touched on some nerves, especially with the white parents and the white community in that area,” Clifton-Roach said. “A lot of these kids could not handle it. It got to the point where parents told my principal their children would not do the assignment.”


Mark Hoey, who is 53 and white, has taught American history in Philadelphia’s public schools since 1993. He, too, said he wasn’t prepared at first for the strong feelings that coursed through his students when they studied slavery and related material.
“It really affected those kids. It’s really raw, and it’s not just because somebody’s rehashing [the history] and making them angry,” Hoey said.

“I had my master’s in history, so I got the academics of it, but not the emotional impact. And it’s really strong.”


Despite trepidations and concerns they may harbor about teaching the difficult history of slavery, the educators interviewed for this report shared a belief of how essential it is for all students — for all Americans — to have a deep understanding of the role slavery played in shaping the country at every stage of its existence and how its legacy is still with us in ways large and small.


“If we don’t recognize slavery, if we downplay its role in the 19th century and before that, if we downplay the failures of Jim Crow, then we’re not starting off on a good foot,” said Jonathan Barr, who is white and teaches American history at Ramsay High School in Birmingham, Ala. “The recognition is where you start and then you go from there.”……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/they-worry-about-anger-fear-guilt-some-feel-ill-equipped-educators-confront-teaching-about-slavery/

 

[MT15]

I don’t agree with this take at all. Jim Jones WAS a monster, and the parents who fed their children poison were also monsters. Brainwashed monsters, but monsters nonetheless.

If you refuse to pull back from the ledge and keep going further down the rabbit hole to the point where you either a) poison your child or b) try to overthrow a completely free and fair election of a completely normal and sane president, and in the process destroy the greatest democracy in world history, then yes, you are a monster.

There were lots of people present who only went through with it because they had a gun to their head. There were plenty of abused women and children who basically had no choice. There were also people who were injected with the drug because they refused. The truth is always nuanced and you shouldn’t just assume that everyone who gets caught up in a cult is a monster. We are dealing with a cult here. The actual monsters are few and I don’t think we have touched even one of them yet with the judicial system.

I’m just objecting to the “all Republicans are evil” narrative, it’s the other side of the coin from Farb’s contention that all Democrats are Commies, or the majority of teachers in this country are communists.

 

[MT15]

That would have been an awesome post after the 2016 election!

Honestly, can you not see that everything you are standing up against right now is exactly what you side was doing when your guy wasn't in the WH? I mean the EXACT same thing.

Maybe the commies use the same registration system as the white nationalist?

Do we not remember the RUSSIA hysteria and Trump?

Education is education. Indoctrination is the problem and yes, the only way to stop it is to kill the roots. That is my opinion.

The lefts entire political platform is 'vote for us because the other guy is evil'. "Democracy is dying", "If you voted for this guy, you are a racist". You can deny it but if you actually look at the left's rhetoric you can't deny it.

If you think that Russia interference in the 2016 election was a hoax, you’re still living in a propaganda zone. There were some sensational articles, sure. And there are always “over the top” media accounts. (just like the ones you read daily about the Red Menace and CRT). But your side is just as wrong for saying there was nothing there. There was a whole lot of “there” there. Russian experts from both sides of the aisle agree that Trump knew Putin wanted him to win, and that he eagerly accepted that help. And then committed obstruction of justice to cover it up.

You have the party platforms exactly backwards. The democrats actually have an entire political platform, Republicans have given that up. They didn’t have one for the 2020 election and Mitch McConnell just announced a week ago of so that there would be no policy platforms for the midterm elections. The only thing they are going to run on is that Democrats are socialists or communists. That’s it. It’s a lie; not only a lie, but what used to be called a “damned lie”.

You cannot see what your side is doing because you exist in a propaganda bubble.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Does “owning the libs” count as a platform?

 

[Farb]

If you think that Russia interference in the 2016 election was a hoax, you’re still living in a propaganda zone. There were some sensational articles, sure. And there are always “over the top” media accounts. (just like the ones you read daily about the Red Menace and CRT). But your side is just as wrong for saying there was nothing there. There was a whole lot of “there” there. Russian experts from both sides of the aisle agree that Trump knew Putin wanted him to win, and that he eagerly accepted that help. And then committed obstruction of justice to cover it up.

You have the party platforms exactly backwards. The democrats actually have an entire political platform, Republicans have given that up. They didn’t have one for the 2020 election and Mitch McConnell just announced a week ago of so that there would be no policy platforms for the midterm elections. The only thing they are going to run on is that Democrats are socialists or communists. That’s it. It’s a lie; not only a lie, but what used to be called a “damned lie”.

You cannot see what your side is doing because you exist in a propaganda bubble.

Sorry, I know you think you are shining a light and you see it clear as day, but the lecturing from the left is comical.

We obviously will never agree on this but everything you say if exactly how the right feels about the left.

 

[Farb]

Does “owning the libs” count as a platform?

You all say that a lot. Did I miss something? What does that mean and where did it come from?

 

[brandon]

You all say that a lot. Did I miss something? What does that mean and where did it come from?

No one buys your fake ignorance.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Sorry, I know you think you are shining a light and you see it clear as day, but the lecturing from the left is comical.

We obviously will never agree on this but everything you say if exactly how the right feels about the left.

The difference is that one side can and does provide evidence, as MT did in her post. Your response is barely more than "I'm rubber and you're glue." It's childish.

 

[Farb]

The difference is that one side can and does provide evidence, as MT did in her post. Your response is barely more than "I'm rubber and you're glue." It's childish.

Thanks for the honest and intellectual good faith debate!

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Thanks for the honest and intellectual good faith debate!

You're welcome. At least one of us is trying.

 

[MT15]

Sorry, I know you think you are shining a light and you see it clear as day, but the lecturing from the left is comical.

We obviously will never agree on this but everything you say if exactly how the right feels about the left.

Here is the difference. I don’t think you are evil. I understand your views at least sometimes. I am able to discern leftist propaganda at least some of the time, and I don’t post it here.

 

[V Chip]

Thanks. Will do!

Slavery is taught in schools and should be taught as it always has, just not through the identify politics lens.

That's funny -- I remember you said you were taught about the Southern Strategy in your schooling, yet you thought it was an opinion about politicians changing from the Democratic party to the Republican party... either your schooling taught the wrong thing(s) or your memory is really, really bad.

 

[Farb]

That's funny -- I remember you said you were taught about the Southern Strategy in your schooling, yet you thought it was an opinion about politicians changing from the Democratic party to the Republican party... either your schooling taught the wrong thing(s) or your memory is really, really bad.

And yet we had several back and forth about senators switching sides, why is that?

You did get the 'opinion' part correct.

 

[MT15]

It wasn’t many politicians who switched parties. It was the voters. The voters switched parties. They did it first in presidential elections, followed by state wide and then down to local over the years. This is a fact and really cannot be disputed.

 

[Farb]

It wasn’t many politicians who switched parties. It was the voters. The voters switched parties. They did it first in presidential elections, followed by state wide and then down to local over the years. This is a fact and really cannot be disputed.

You are correct. But why? Racism?

 

[samiam5211]

You are correct. But why? Racism?

Yes.

 

[Port City JJ]

You are correct. But why? Racism?

If you actually want to understand (which I doubt) go watch 13th on netflix. It documents the southern strategy and how it came about. It even paints Clinton in a bad light (so you might like it) as it shows his use of dog whistle politics to carry the southern states. It has insightful commentary from Newt Gingrich, just so you know its not some liberal fluff piece.