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    DaveXA

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    Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

    If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.
     
    SamAndreas said:
    Perhaps you should search outside of this thread because yesterday I started a whole thread about Russian interference and disinformation since Biden became President.
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    I think the point was that if everything she disagrees with Farb about is "Russian disinformation" that there would be plenty of examples in any thread, yet there wasn't even one in that thread.
     
    SamAndreas said:
    Perhaps you should search outside of this thread because yesterday I started a whole thread about Russian interference and disinformation since Biden became President.
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    Nah, this is an ongoing thing where he keeps claiming people call all his sources Russian disinformation “because [you] disagree with it”. He qualifies several posts with “you’ll just call it Russian disinformation”. I’m just illustrating it’s untrue.
     
    J-DONK said:
    I feel like this is most Republicans problem in general. This sounds like your saying slavery shouldn't even be taught in schools. The American south was founded on slavery, and it was torn down.

    FARB GET OFF FACEBOOK AND GO READ A BOOK
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    Thanks. Will do!

    Slavery is taught in schools and should be taught as it always has, just not through the identify politics lens.
     
    JRad said:
    Nah, this is an ongoing thing where he keeps claiming people call all his sources Russian disinformation “because [you] disagree with it”. He qualifies several posts with “you’ll just call it Russian disinformation”. I’m just illustrating it’s untrue.
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    Well, to be fair, we had 4 years of Russian disinformation that was paraded around as facts on this board. I will leave it you to determine which side backed the disinformation and those that did not. Hint....your it!
     
    Farb said:
    Well, to be fair, we had 4 years of Russian disinformation that was paraded around as facts on this board. I will leave it you to determine which side backed the disinformation and those that did not. Hint....your it!
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    You’re*
     
    Farb said:
    Yes, everything that you disagree with is Russian disinformation. I thought America was founded on slavery and therefore has to be torn down and built correctly with equity, inclusion and diversity?
    I do get confused because goal post shift every day.
    I don't think all teacher are 'subversive communists'. I would say the majority or rather the most vocal at the top are (teacher unions/school boards ect..). And yes, I do believe the public school system should be 'reimagined'.
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    So how do all these communists, you have described thousands, no millions of people, keep their membership in the communist party secret? How does that work, in reality?

    Your dig about Russia is uncalled for. There does exist current evidence that several antagonistic nations are actively fueling the current political divisions we are suffering in America. The damage done to public faith in some of our best institutions is real. You illustrate their work nearly every day with your beliefs that communists are everywhere, that local people who run for school boards are somehow the Red Menace. That local election officials are in on a massive conspiracy to tilt our elections, which are among the most secure in the world. That the 98-99% of doctors who advocate getting the Covid vaccine are lying to you, it’s the FB “doctors” who are telling the truth.

    You seem have ”othered” democrats to an extreme. You seem to not think they are regular American citizens who disagree with you on policies, you seem to think they are evil. You even said once that you thought Jan. 6 maybe “needed to happen”. Jan. 6 was extremely un-American, yet you have seemed to support it.

    Free public education, with all its faults, was a big part of the establishment of our prosperity. We need to improve access and bolster it, not get rid of it. Unless your goal is for the US to take a huge step backwards. Just think about what you are supporting when you say that the majority of teachers are communists. Does that sound reasonable or likely? Even if you limit it to the most vocal, how could they all be communists, and conceal that? Or is it more likely that everyone really wants the best for students, and there’s an honest difference of opinion on how to get there?

    When you decide that Americans who disagree with you are evil, democracy is lost. The US depends on certain tenets for its democracy to work, and extending respect for those who disagree with you is crucial. Believing in the results of elections is crucial, believing in the advice of the medical community is crucial to public health.

    BTW, this may be addressed to Farb, but I am seeing more of this from the left as well. The disinformation may be mostly aimed at the far right, but there is some of the same aimed at the far left. I see it in a reductive impulse to label anyone who doesn’t agree with 100% of the aims of the far left as “same as a Republican” and evil money-grubbing corporatist. It’s the other side of the same “othering” coin, IMO.
     
    And just after I posted my diatribe, I came across these two tweets. I don’t know what conversation he is referencing, but this is a horrible reminder of our shared humanity, no matter what policies we support.

     
    MT15 said:
    And just after I posted my diatribe, I came across these two tweets. I don’t know what conversation he is referencing, but this is a horrible reminder of our shared humanity, no matter what policies we support.

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    I don’t agree with this take at all. Jim Jones WAS a monster, and the parents who fed their children poison were also monsters. Brainwashed monsters, but monsters nonetheless.

    If you refuse to pull back from the ledge and keep going further down the rabbit hole to the point where you either a) poison your child or b) try to overthrow a completely free and fair election of a completely normal and sane president, and in the process destroy the greatest democracy in world history, then yes, you are a monster.
     
    MT15 said:
    So how do all these communists, you have described thousands, no millions of people, keep their membership in the communist party secret? How does that work, in reality?

    Your dig about Russia is uncalled for. There does exist current evidence that several antagonistic nations are actively fueling the current political divisions we are suffering in America. The damage done to public faith in some of our best institutions is real. You illustrate their work nearly every day with your beliefs that communists are everywhere, that local people who run for school boards are somehow the Red Menace. That local election officials are in on a massive conspiracy to tilt our elections, which are among the most secure in the world. That the 98-99% of doctors who advocate getting the Covid vaccine are lying to you, it’s the FB “doctors” who are telling the truth.

    You seem have ”othered” democrats to an extreme. You seem to not think they are regular American citizens who disagree with you on policies, you seem to think they are evil. You even said once that you thought Jan. 6 maybe “needed to happen”. Jan. 6 was extremely un-American, yet you have seemed to support it.

    Free public education, with all its faults, was a big part of the establishment of our prosperity. We need to improve access and bolster it, not get rid of it. Unless your goal is for the US to take a huge step backwards. Just think about what you are supporting when you say that the majority of teachers are communists. Does that sound reasonable or likely? Even if you limit it to the most vocal, how could they all be communists, and conceal that? Or is it more likely that everyone really wants the best for students, and there’s an honest difference of opinion on how to get there?

    When you decide that Americans who disagree with you are evil, democracy is lost. The US depends on certain tenets for its democracy to work, and extending respect for those who disagree with you is crucial. Believing in the results of elections is crucial, believing in the advice of the medical community is crucial to public health.

    BTW, this may be addressed to Farb, but I am seeing more of this from the left as well. The disinformation may be mostly aimed at the far right, but there is some of the same aimed at the far left. I see it in a reductive impulse to label anyone who doesn’t agree with 100% of the aims of the far left as “same as a Republican” and evil money-grubbing corporatist. It’s the other side of the same “othering” coin, IMO.
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    That would have been an awesome post after the 2016 election!

    Honestly, can you not see that everything you are standing up against right now is exactly what you side was doing when your guy wasn't in the WH? I mean the EXACT same thing.

    Maybe the commies use the same registration system as the white nationalist?

    Do we not remember the RUSSIA hysteria and Trump?

    Education is education. Indoctrination is the problem and yes, the only way to stop it is to kill the roots. That is my opinion.

    The lefts entire political platform is 'vote for us because the other guy is evil'. "Democracy is dying", "If you voted for this guy, you are a racist". You can deny it but if you actually look at the left's rhetoric you can't deny it.
     
    Farb said:
    Education is education. Indoctrination is the problem and yes, the only way to stop it is to kill the roots. That is my opinion.
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    Even if this was true, how do you decide what's indoctrination? Are conservative's concerned with CRT going to actually read their child's curriculum and do a Facebook poll? LOL

    I bet you don't even know who you are fighting against. You're talking about CRT in some grand conspiracy way. If conservatives really care this much, run for your local schoolboard. It's really that simple. It's why CRT is so silly. This isn't some scary unwashed caravan of brown people. Your big bad is the local schoolboard.

    COME ON
     
    Article about the challenges about teaching slavery and it’s from 2019 before anyone was talking about CRT
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    Pacing his classroom in north-central Iowa, Tom McClimon prepared to deliver an essential truth about American history to his eighth-grade students. He stopped and slowly raised his index finger in front of his chest.


    “Think about this. For 246 years, slavery was legal in America. It wasn’t made illegal until 154 years ago,” the 26-year-old teacher told the 23 students sitting before him at Fort Dodge Middle School. “So, what does that mean? It means slavery has been a part of America much longer than it hasn’t been a part of America.”


    It is a simple observation, but it is also a revelatory way to think about slavery in America and its inextricable role in the country’s founding, evolution and present. Ours is a nation born as much in chains as in freedom.

    A century and a half after slavery was made illegal — and 400 years after the first documented arrival of enslaved people from Africa in Virginia — the trauma of this inherited disease lingers.


    But telling the truth about slavery in American public schools has long been a failing proposition. Many teachers feel ill-prepared, and textbooks rarely do more than skim the surface. There is too much pain to explore. Too much guilt, ignorance, denial.


    It is why, just four years ago, textbooks told students “workers” were brought from Africa to America, not men, women and children in chains. It is why, last year, a teacher asked students to list “positive” aspects of slavery.

    It is why, even in 2019, there are teachers in schools who still think holding mock auctions is a good way for students to learn about slavery. Misinformation and flawed teaching about America’s “original sin” fills our classrooms from an early age.

    And yet as issues of race and prejudice and privilege continue to roil America, an understanding of how slavery forged the country seems all the more necessary……

    A range of critics — historians, educators, civil rights activists — want to change how schools teach the subject. The evidence of slavery’s legacy is all around us, they say, pointing to the persistence of segregation in schools, the gaping racial disparities in income and wealth, and the damage done to black families by the U.S. criminal justice system.

    According to a 2018 report to the United Nations by the Sentencing Project, a nonprofit organization that advocates reducing racial disparities in prison sentences, American judges will send one in three black boys born in 2001 to prison in their lifetimes, compared with one in 17 white boys born the same year……

    Many baby boomers were fed tales in school that masked the reality of slavery. Some teaching even emphasized the idea that Africans brought here in chains were actually better off.

    “With all the drawbacks of slavery, it should be noted that slavery was the earliest form of social security in the United States,” students read in Alabama history textbooks of the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s.

    And there was this: “A jail sentence or the execution of a slave was considered to be more of a punishment for the master than for the slave, because the slave was such valuable property.”


    A Virginia textbook of the same era told students that Virginia “offered a better life for the Negroes than did Africa. In his new home, the Negro was far away from the spears and war clubs of enemy tribes. He had some of the comforts of civilized life.”……..



     

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