Critical race theory (7 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[RebSaint]

I submit that it began in earnest in America the moment Lincoln signed the EP. Prior to that, there was no need to be racists toward slaves because they were simply slaves and treated not much differently than a pet. Once the slaves were granted equal status, at least on paper, that was when racism became prominent among the folks who resented their pets being seen as their equals. At least that's how I see it and I could be wrong for which I would admit being wrong with no problem.

Go back a bit further back. The path to the EP and the 13th Amendment began with the 1st and 2nd Confiscation Acts in 1861/62. They were passed after after General Benjamin Butler refused to return a runaway Confederate General's slave. Butler essentially argued in an order that runaway slaves were "contraband of war" because the Confederacy was using them to fund the war and for hard labor.
Eventually, Lincoln realized that he could further damage the Confederacy by issuing the EP and paving the way for the eventual constitutional amendment.

The upheaval from the CW and slaves running away from plantations themselves facilitated the Confiscation Acts and the EP.

 

[Dragon]

This is key. The education is sorely needed. However, if done in a confrontational manner. Most people do not like to be told they had crappy ancestors.

Truth is never confrontational - it is just the truth..

People needs to be told the truth - regardless of how uncomfortable it makes them feel. Otherwise we end up with "A bunch of friendly tourist visitors at the Capitol on jan. 6th"

 

[Paul]

Truth is never confrontational - it is just the truth..

People needs to be told the truth - regardless of how uncomfortable it makes them feel. Otherwise we end up with "A bunch of friendly tourist visitors at the Capitol on jan. 6th"

I suggest a bit of moderation and friendliness. If you beat them down you are simply energizing Trump types. There has to be a better way of doing this. Perennial grievances will only work for so long.

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This is obvious, but the people that did the damage are dead. So what we have is the concept of systemic racism or the idea that the entire system is racist. Systemic racism is often invoked to explain disparate outcomes and it is a difficult situation because systemic racism is rather abstract. It is very much like the old belief system in the "ether". I believe most whites want things to get better and would welcome a different approach.

 

[Dragon]

Knowing the truth is not beating anyone down but just knowing the truth. You can't process or improve anything if you don't know the truth.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Truth is never confrontational - it is just the truth..

People needs to be told the truth - regardless of how uncomfortable it makes them feel. Otherwise we end up with "A bunch of friendly tourist visitors at the Capitol on jan. 6th"

Truth is just like fire

it can heal or destroy but it never leaves what it touches unchanged

 

[Paul]

Knowing the truth is not beating anyone down but just knowing the truth. You can't process or improve anything if you don't know the truth.

I seriously doubt that there is a single person in America that does not know there was slavery. We need to teach the history in great detail without assuming the role of the noble victim and without demonizing white people.

Inequalities should be addressed vigorously and that includes an analysis of the effects of racism. It is unlikely that the inequalities can only be explained with one variable (racism). Multiple other factors need to be studied even if they diminish the perceived effect of racism.

The solution must come from within and with the support of America. Asking others to solve the problem is not enough.

 

[samiam5211]

I agree!

However, I do not agree with the idea of victimhood. The fight can be carried out from a more noble proud position.

Imagine a husband that was unfaithful to his wife. Rightfully so the wife recriminates her husband. The husband ask for forgiveness, wants to save the marriage, and wants to make things right. However, the scorned wife cannot stop recriminating her husband on a daily basis. The perennial recrimination causes additional stress and eventuall the husband calls it quits.

At some point the scorned behavior needs to change. No one wants to be around anyone that complains 24/7.

So the husband cheats and it is the wife's fault the marriage fails.

You certainly fit a certain stereotype.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So the husband cheats and it is the wife's fault the marriage fails.

You certainly fit a certain stereotype.

It's the Latin American way...

 

[Saintamaniac]

What counter accusations should she rightfully make?

More importantly, what accusations were made against the wife in the first place?

Recriminate was the first word that popped up on his electronic thesaurus and it sounded good so he used it without knowing exactly what recriminate means.

 

[samiam5211]

Recriminate was the first word that popped up on his electronic thesaurus and it sounded good so he used it without knowing exactly what recriminate means.

English may not be his first language. he's Latin American you know.

 

[RebSaint]

the twist is racism didn’t end the second Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation

 

[samiam5211]

A Christian can recall the history of Romans killing Christians for sport at the Roman coliseum without being judgmental of Romans in 2021.
In 2021 we do not condemned Germans for what their ancestors did.

The "Romans" are the Christian church now.

I think Christians today still judge the pre Constantine Romans pretty harshly.

 

[Paul]

The "Romans" are the Christian church now.

I think Christians today still judge the pre Constantine Romans pretty harshly.

Many long for the pre Vatican II days.
My wife still loves a mass in Latin.

 

[samiam5211]

Many long for the pre Vatican II days.
My wife still loves a mass in Latin.

That does nothing to help make your analogy relevant, but thanks for sharing.

 

[Paul]

That does nothing to help make your analogy relevant, but thanks for sharing.

OK, assume the workers were lazy and now they work hard. The boss changed his mind when he noted the Hispanic workers did a great job. What really matters is that he switched his negative views.

You guys are doing the equivalent of looking for a typo to disprove an argument.

 

[samiam5211]

OK, assume the workers were lazy and now they work hard. The boss changed his mind when he noted the Hispanic workers did a great job. What really matters is that he switched his negative views.

You guys are doing the equivalent of looking for a typo to disprove an argument.

Replacing a negative stereotype with a positive one is not an improvement. It only reinforces the notion that stereotyping people is an acceptable practice.

You shouldn't assume things about people (good or bad) because of their race.

 

[V Chip]

OK, assume the workers were lazy and now they work hard. The boss changed his mind when he noted the Hispanic workers did a great job. What really matters is that he switched his negative views.

You guys are doing the equivalent of looking for a typo to disprove an argument.

No, you are clinging to a crap analogy in order to not have to admit it was a crap analogy and that you were wrong.

You're getting upset and defensive because your analogy was really poor and didn't show what you thought it did. Your analogy showed that only by being exposed to reality instead of stereotype did the white owner realize he was wrong. No change was required by the Hispanic workers, only the change in pre-existing bigotry of the owner.

 

[Paul]

No, you are clinging to a crap analogy in order to not have to admit it was a crap analogy and that you were wrong.

You're getting upset and defensive because your analogy was really poor and didn't show what you thought it did. Your analogy showed that only by being exposed to reality instead of stereotype did the white owner realize he was wrong. No change was required by the Hispanic workers, only the change in pre-existing bigotry of the owner.

I will not argue about semantics that do not change the message.

If negative stereotypes become positive stereotypes racism goes down. Just memorize that and you will be fine