Critical race theory (10 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[zztop]

Nevertheless, Among black Americans Bernie Sanders was not popular. The message regarding the of plight of the middle class unemployed person that Bernie Sanders gave did not resonate. In my opinion segments the Democrat party paid too much attention to race and gender politics. Obviously many knew this was a problem and hence the establishment wanted Joe Biden as someone who was closer to the center.

Kamala was then selected to solidify the black vote.

I prefer Harris and Biden over a lunatic than Trump so I am happy. However, I dislike race and gender ID politics. That type of tribalism is divisive and not good for the United States. The country needs common cultural values.

% of support has been going down since Obama. It was mentioned somewhere in this topic I believe https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/post-election-results-analysis.99239/ Also, HC didn't resonate with a lot of people, especially young. However it could be debated how important the young vote really is (higher % of older people tend to vote more vs young). From recollection, and I could be wrong since a lot has happened since, but HC wasn't going to do much about raising minimum wage, but when Bernie started making gains with his support for it, only THEN she changed her tune and was for increasing it. It didn't come off as sincere, but rather a reaction to him gaining momentum.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I have two uncles that were in the military, one retired after 26 years in service. After Trump shirt all over the military I figured that would be the final straw in their support... nope. They still supported him and his policies and rhetoric. After the "grab them by the arse" (this got censored but everyone will remember his comment), I figured women would abandon him.. nope. Evangelicals? Stormy Daniels says hello and the head of the evangelicals was on record saying "we'll give him a mulligan for that". That is some diehard blind devotion

It's damn near idol worship. I know atheists and pagans that are better Christians than that. lol

 

[Paul]

I'd really like to know where you get your information from (see post 304 which I guess you missed) because out of the two? Bernie had more of the progressives and addressed inequality a lot more than HC. That was one thing that turned a lot of them off to HC because she was not seen as progressive enough.

A little progressive is good:
1. Medicare for all
2. Free tuition in state colleges for the academically gifted
3. Free tuition in trade schools for those that have the talent. If someone wants a private university only provide loans for a profession that has a market.
4. I am OK with minimum wage increments. As of now employers cannot find employees.
5. Abortions, no problem
6. Unisex bathrooms are fine by me as well as gay marriage.
7. LGBTQIA+ in the military OK as long as the can pass basic training.
8. Free state of the art high end high schools for descendants of slaves. Others can go elsewhere.
9. UBI for descendants of slaves OK if they are in need. Other ethnicities need not apply.

 

[Paul]

I’ll admit the last 4 years have pushed me into more of a tribal mindset. I find what Trump has done to the nation and the Republican Party so repugnant I want to completely disassociate myself with it. After I was vaccinated I still wore a mask because I didn’t want anyone to think I was a Trumo supporter. That’s how fanatically anti-Trump I am.

I don’t really identify with a tribe, but I am certainly anti one particular tribe. Like I have said before I’m really honest about my biases. We all have them, most people just aren’t honest about what they are.

This is a problem Saint.

 

[MT15]

I went back and read my post. I don’t know why it says white community. I dictated the post using my iPhone and perhaps it typed the wrong words.

So what did you intend to say? What words should be substituted for “white community”?

 

[JRad]

A little progressive is good:
1. Medicare for all
2. Free tuition in state colleges for the academically gifted
3. Free tuition in trade schools for those that have the talent. If someone wants a private university only provide loans for a profession that has a market.
4. I am OK with minimum wage increments. As of now employers cannot find employees.
5. Abortions, no problem
6. Unisex bathrooms are fine by me as well as gay marriage.
7. LGBTQIA+ in the military OK as long as the can pass basic training.
8. Free state of the art high end high schools for descendants of slaves. Others can go elsewhere.
9. UBI for descendants of slaves OK if they are in need. Other ethnicities need not apply.

I think I’d add maternity leave and child care. The arguments for those lean me to including them, despite me never taking advantage of either. I may adjust some of your list, but I can’t say I disagree.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

A little progressive is good:
1. Medicare for all
2. Free tuition in state colleges for the academically gifted
3. Free tuition in trade schools for those that have the talent. If someone wants a private university only provide loans for a profession that has a market.
4. I am OK with minimum wage increments. As of now employers cannot find employees.
5. Abortions, no problem
6. Unisex bathrooms are fine by me as well as gay marriage.
7. LGBTQIA+ in the military OK as long as the can pass basic training.
8. Free state of the art high end high schools for descendants of slaves. Others can go elsewhere.
9. UBI for descendants of slaves OK if they are in need. Other ethnicities need not apply.

Except for 8 and 9, this is basically the Conservative Party in the UK. Plus they aren't obsessed with guns and religion. One of the main reasons I'm considering retiring there assuming the US doesn't collapse by then.

 

[Paul]

Except for 8 and 9, this is basically the Conservative Party in the UK. Plus they aren't obsessed with guns and religion. One of the main reasons I'm considering retiring there assuming the US doesn't collapse by then.

The UK is having similar issues with the left and the right divide.

As for the last two, I believe the descendants of slaves need additional reparations directed at poverty. Affirmative Action was mostly utilized by white women, immigrants, and middle class and above POC. It did nothing for the very poor that could not graduate from high school.

 

[DaveXA]

It's damn near idol worship. I know atheists and pagans that are better Christians than that. lol

Indeed, and it is idol worship. I don't understand it tbh.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

The UK is having similar issues with the left and the right divide.

Depends on how much elasticity you want to give the word 'similar.' I would say: not at all. There is some kerfuffle over immigration but not to the extent you see in the US. Aside from the Brexit movement you don't really see as much hyper-nationalism as you see in the US. And, as I mentioned, there isn't much in the way of a culture war because the Conservatives have already conceded a great many economic and social issues that most other Western civilized societies not held back by American "exceptionalism" (and I use that term sarcastically) have adopted.

The Conservative party of the UK is basically Joe Manchin Democrats. And arguably even slightly to the left of that on several key issues. There isn't really anything like the modern GOP in the UK... at least not to any appreciable extent that they are a political force.

Oh... and there's the benefit of them having a superior form of government.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I’d prefer we leave race out of issues of poverty. The reality is the overwhelming majority of blacks in this country aren’t poor. Right around 20% are, approximately double that of whites, on par with Hispanics and a little less than that of Native Americans.

If you structure programs to help the poor, you’ll help the descendants of slaves and the descendants of other disadvantaged ethnic groups by default. However, what you don’t do is leave poor whites behind. My wife and her sisters were not as disadvantaged as I was growing up because they didn’t have the added layer of race, but they absolutely were disadvantaged and didn’t have equal access to opportunity as folks in the burbs. They came from generations of poor whites and a world where a double-wide meant you’d arrived.

People like that have the same issues (single parent homes, drug abuse, no Internet, poor parental involvement in education, low graduation rates, the welfare cycle) and need help. A generic plan to alleviate poverty will help the descendants of slaves and native Americans at about twice the rate of whites, but it will be far less divisive and provide assistance across the board regardless of ethnicity.

 

[Paul]

Depends on how much elasticity you want to give the word 'similar.' I would say: not at all. There is some kerfuffle over immigration but not to the extent you see in the US. Aside from the Brexit movement you don't really see as much hyper-nationalism as you see in the US. And, as I mentioned, there isn't much in the way of a culture war because the Conservatives have already conceded a great many economic and social issues that most other Western civilized societies not held back by American "exceptionalism" (and I use that term sarcastically) have adopted.

The Conservative party of the UK is basically Joe Manchin Democrats. And arguably even slightly to the left of that on several key issues. There isn't really anything like the modern GOP in the UK... at least not to any appreciable extent that they are a political force.

Oh... and there's the benefit of them having a superior form of government.

Do you love Jacob Rees Mogg? He sounds like a typical conservative, however, he has said he would never allow his Catholicism or views on abortion cloud the issues of the nation. Nigel Farage sounds like Trump. Piers Morgan is a moderate, but he sometimes sounds lie a southern Republican.

 

[Paul]

So what did you intend to say? What words should be substituted for “white community”?

I meant to say that I have never met a white person that wants anyone else to be permanently poor.

 

[MT15]

So, because you haven’t met someone they don’t exist? I’m not at all sure what your point could possibly be, and to be entirely transparent to you, I don’t believe for a minute that your phone substituted the words “white community” for some other words.

 

[DaveXA]

I meant to say that I have never met a white person that wants anyone else to be permanently poor.

I have. Ashamed to say it was a family member. He's since passed away, but yeah. I've met a few over the years.

 

[Paul]

So, because you haven’t met someone they don’t exist? I’m not at all sure what your point could possibly be, and to be entirely transparent to you, I don’t believe for a minute that your phone substituted the words “white community” for some other words.

I am certain there are evil white people out there that want to see mayhem . I do not disagree with what you say. However, I think they are in the minority.

I edited the post. The way it was before it made no sense. Now the post makes sense.

 

[Complex Kid]

There is some kerfuffle over immigration but not to the extent you see in the US. Aside from the Brexit movement you don't really see as much hyper-nationalism as you see in the US.

“Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”

 

[samiam5211]

I am certain there are evil white people out there that want to see mayhem . I do not disagree with what you say. However, I think they are in the minority.

I edited the post. The way it was before it made no sense. Now the post makes sense.

There are plenty of white people who think non white people are poor because they are lazy and/or less capable than white people.