Critical race theory (11 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[samiam5211]

OK, carry on with your ideology. I believe it is naive to think that there is no opposite reaction on the other side. Your statement is polarizing.

How do you determine which ideology is reacting and which is causing the reaction?

You seem to put causality with the left, and the right as a helpless victim of Newtonian sociology.

 

[Paul]

How do you determine which ideology is reacting and which is causing the reaction?

You seem to put causality with the left, and the right as a helpless victim of Newtonian sociology.

Nope.
I was referring to:

Newton's third law​

If you do not believe there is a reaction you need to get out of your echo chamber.

 

[brandon]

Your statement is polarizing.

No it isn’t. It’s factual. You’re just using it as an excuse to keep moving further to the right.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Nope.
I was referring to:

Newton's third law​

If you do not believe there is a reaction you need to get out of your echo chamber.

The idea that Newton's 3rd Law applies to anything that is social/political is simply stupid.
There is a reaction from the right but it damn sure isn't equal. In the myriad of stupid notions you have put forth, this has to be the most asinine of the bunch.

Oh, and I'm not attacking you. I'm attacking your asinine notion.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Not to mention that the right initiated this with the southern strategy and what we are seeing is just the culmination of 50 years of that, but you actually have to know some of the bare minimum basics of American political history to understand that.

The entire premise is so dumb it's really not worth the month of back-and-forth numerous pages that have been wasted on this site exploring and easily refuting it.

 

[Paul]

No it isn’t. It’s factual. You’re just using it as an excuse to keep moving further to the right.

You said:

How do you determine which ideology is reacting and which is causing the reaction?

You seem to put causality with the left, and the right as a helpless victim of Newtonian sociology.

That is not a fact.

The fact is that the nation is polarized. The question is why.

 

[brandon]

You said:


That is not a fact.

The fact is that the nation is polarized. The question is why.

Except I never said any of that.

 

[zztop]

You are correct, but two wrongs do not make a right. We need more moderates on both sides, otherwise we end up in a civil war. Both sides live in their respective echo chambers and are intransigent.

I think your direction is off. There ARE moderates in the democrat party. Contrast this with the trump party, theres hardly any. they've all been pushed out by fanatics. or are too afraid to speak out. Why do I get the feeling you keep putting this burden on the left, when there is a mountain of examples that it is the right that is the worst of the two when it comes to this. They just censured one of their own for speaking the truth about trump and voting against the (R) party's wishes.

 

[Paul]

Except I never said any of that.

OMG, you are correct. I quoted someone else!
Apologies.
Go ahead and bash me now,

 

[Paul]

OK. this is what Brandon said:

No it isn't. That's the kind of bullshirt the right uses to try to excuse their ongoing march to fascism. It's an excuse and it's a lie.

It sounds more like an opinion rather than a fact.

 

[JRad]

I think your direction is off. There ARE moderates in the democrat party. Contrast this with the trump party, theres hardly any. they've all been pushed out by fanatics. or are too afraid to speak out. Why do I get the feeling you keep putting this burden on the left, when there is a mountain of examples that it is the right that is the worst of the two when it comes to this. They just censured one of their own for speaking the truth about trump and voting against the (R) party's wishes.

Correct. One has to look no further than Joe Manchin vs Liz Cheney to figure out which party stands where. Sure, there are some Dems kvetching about Manchin, but he, Sinema and other moderate Dems are largely compromised with.

Cheney, and others who didn’t tow the party line, are railed against and removed from positions.

 

[SFIDC3]

OK. this is what Brandon said:

It sounds more like an opinion rather than a fact.

I would say it is opinion grounded in fact….see any Repub politician/lawmaker that dares to not kiss the hand of dear leader….for the life of me, to rail on about the “radical left” or lack of moderates on the D side, and conveniently try to dismiss the real radicals, you know the ones that tried to disrupt our democracy and all….a very strange hill to die on IMO….

 

[Paul]

I would say it is opinion grounded in fact….see any Repub politician/lawmaker that dares to not kiss the hand of dear leader….for the life of me, to rail on about the “radical left” or lack of moderates on the D side, and conveniently try to dismiss the real radicals, you know the ones that tried to disrupt our democracy and all….a very strange hill to die on IMO….

IMO, radicals on both sides are toxic. The nation judges the right wing nuts more harshly and they are rightfully scorned by the media and public opinion. OTOH, left wing radicals are seen as more benevolent. Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience. Adam Smith


The whole thing is a cluster of FAAQ.

 

[brandon]

IMO, radicals on both sides are toxic.

Oh for sure. One wants the overthrow of a duly elected president and to establish a white ethno-theocracy, and the other wants free healthcare.

 

[Paul]

Oh for sure. One wants the overthrow of a duly elected president and to establish a white ethno-theocracy, and the other wants free healthcare.

Free health care? There is no free lunch. However, I am 100% for Medicare for all.

Thank you for admitting race ID politics is evil. White nationalism is a form of race ID politics.
Race ID politics for POC is seen as benevolent by many, but at the end of the day it is also evil.

Down with race ID politics and tribalism.

 

[zztop]

IMO, radicals on both sides are toxic. The nation judges the right wing nuts more harshly and they are rightfully scorned by the media and public opinion. OTOH, left wing radicals are seen as more benevolent. Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience. Adam Smith


The whole thing is a cluster of FAAQ.

I'm going to try something a little different than other commenters. What, in your opinion, would be someone or something considered radical left? This "seen as more benevolent" comment is really unusual to me, because I have no idea where you get your new or information from (since you are on record saying NPR is worse than faux news it really makes me wonder).

A. maybe you can give us examples where you see/read this "seen as more benevolent" behavior from
B. what in your opinion do you consider radical left?
C. how or in what way do you think it is (equally) just as bad as the radical right?

 

[brandon]

Free health care? There is no free lunch. However, I am 100% for Medicare for all.

Semantics. You know what I meant.

Taxes go up, but in exchange, there’s no premiums and very low to zero copays, resulting in a significant net cost reduction, just as in every other first world country.

Thank you for admitting race ID politics is evil. White nationalism is a form of race ID politics.
Race ID politics for POC is seen as benevolent by many, but at the end of the day it is also evil.

Down with race ID politics and tribalism.

I admitted that one side wants to establish a white ethno-theocracy. Anything else you inferred is on you.

More importantly, you ignored the greater point, which is that the “both sides” argument, as usual, doesn’t hold up. There’s really only extremists on one side in America. There’s no one on the left in our country seriously pushing for communism. There’s plenty on the right pushing for fascism.

 

[Paul]

Semantics. You know what I meant.

Taxes go up, but in exchange, there’s no premiums and very low to zero copays, resulting in a significant net cost reduction, just as in every other first world country.

Medicare for all can be a resounding success, but it could put the private health insurance industry out of business. Presently Medicare only insures the elderly and the incapacitated. This means that the insured will always consume more health care dollars than what they pay into the system. If Medicare had pool of young healthy patients in the system it would then function like a normal insurance plan. Doctors could care less as they are already working under Medicare rules.

I admitted that one side wants to establish a white ethno-theocracy. Anything else you inferred is on you.

I suspect that is a tiny minority. I have never met a KKK type or Nazi American; but I know they exist. All I see is a bunch of rednecks that are playing race ID politics and participating in tribalism. Most white people don't spend all day thinking about their whiteness or about how many people they are going to oppressed each day. Most people go about their business and are trying to earn a living.

However, I can see a resurgence of white nationalism and IMO it is due to race ID politics on the left. When HRC called all white people deplorables she energized the white nationalists and in turn many neutral type whites went ahead and voted for Trump. And let's not forget that Trump also got some of the Bernie Sanders vote. BTW, Sanders was not popular with black voters despite the fact tat his policies were beneficial black America.

More importantly, you ignored the greater point, which is that the “both sides” argument, as usual, doesn’t hold up. There’s really only extremists on one side in America. There’s no one on the left in our country seriously pushing for communism. There’s plenty on the right pushing for fascism.

OK, you see your side of the echo chamber as more normal. That is to be expected; nothing wrong with that. Does a fish knows it is on the water 24/7?